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Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

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Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

#41
post #4

I'm building a lot on discord right now, I like it but I keep getting scared, then I think, eh, irc servers could have gone away too I suppose, in fact they did, much was lost. I'm sure I'm missing a lot of nuanced thinking in this though.

You can always run your own IRC server. If Discord shuts down, then you're out of luck.

You can run your own Revolt, Mattermost, or Rocket Chat server, which is basically Discord.

Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

#43
post #18

If you care so much about the users as you say then you will release the code in a docker image so they can continue using your product.

their target audience does not know what a "docker" is, much less wants to lease a server for hosting

You can teach someone how to rent a vps and run a docker image with one 10-minute youtube video. Then they can use the drag and drop editor and run the bot themselves. If they don’t want to pay for hosting that’s too bad. A vps to run a bot will cost a couple bucks a month.

Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

#44
post #4

I'm building a lot on discord right now, I like it but I keep getting scared, then I think, eh, irc servers could have gone away too I suppose, in fact they did, much was lost. I'm sure I'm missing a lot of nuanced thinking in this though.

IRC is decentralized; you can self-host. Discord, despite misusing the term “server”, is one user database and one centralized organization.

Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

#45
> If BotGhost is forced to shut down, your bot will stop working. Your settings, custom commands, custom events, market commands, market events and any work at all hosted on BotGhost will be lost. Because BotGhost does not produce code, there is no way for us to export your bot's configuration.

> BotGhost cannot export bot configurations due to its no-code structure. If shutdown happens, all bots and user data will be permanently lost.

I don't think I understand this part - what does the "no-code" mean in this context? How can this data not be stored somewhere for the service to function at all? Does this mean that BotGhost also has no backups, and a technical glitch could cause a similar problem?

Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

#46
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can always run your own IRC server. If Discord shuts down, then you're out of luck.

You can run your own Revolt, Mattermost, or Rocket Chat server, which is basically Discord.

If you believe this you haven’t used Discord very much.

Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

#47

Repeat after me and frame this. Never build your main business on somebody else's platform. Always assume that you will get shutdown / rugged when you do so.

Unless you're prepared for the business to last an unknown limited amount of time.

Pretty much every business is built on shaky foundations. If you never built business on shaky foundations, you'd never do anything at all. You needed an IBM-compatible PC to use Windows! You need a web browser to use Hacker News. Y Combinator is only meaningful as long as dollars are worth something.

If you make a business that runs on IBM PCs, make a few billion dollars, then 10 years later IBM rugpulls the PC line and sues everyone who copied it... was there really a "lesson" that needed "learning" or did you simply succeed at business and make a few billion dollars?

Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

#48
There are lots of details about the technology, license agreements, service history, comparable platforms, and whatnot, which all form reasonable support for botghost.

None of that matters in the slightest. They're dealing with an indifferent, capricious, unaccountable company. And trying to do it without enough leverage to even get a response.

It seems like it's about to end the way it was always going to.

Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

#49

Repeat after me and frame this. Never build your main business on somebody else's platform. Always assume that you will get shutdown / rugged when you do so.

>Never build your main business on somebody else's platform. Yep. It’s a lesson that keeps being re-learned the hard way.

I’m sure Uber and DoorDash and Lyft and Tinder and Instagram and WhatsApp are regretting the billions and billions they made doing this.

It’s bad advice.

Re: Discord Is Threatening to Shutdown BotGhost

#50

I was sympathetic up until the line > Over 3 million users and bots created which struck me as thoroughly disingenuous. Surely they know how many users they have, and how many bots have been created. Why conflate the two?

They clearly have the data too. Their home page states ~2M bots and ~1.5M users
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