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Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Or a deep sea diving movie

Honest question: does this necessarily require the physical transport of gold?

That's what it is about. If it were securities, that would be practically irrelevant.

The gold is stored in Manhattan, in the Fed Reserve Bank of NY.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Question, how do you test if a bar of gold is really 100% gold without deforming it?

This was famously answered by Archimedes in his Eureka moment: https://www.longlongtimeago.com/once-upon-a-time/great-disco...

That's a children's parable. You can easily defeat the test by using two metals, one denser than gold and one lighter, whose combination matches the density of gold, and then putting a veneer of gold on top of it.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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https://archive.is/20250623093918/https://www.ft.com/content... I have doubts the current US administration would let them without some sort of retaliation (e.g. more tariffs)

The US might literally just not give it to them. Germany has been trying to ask for their gold back for a while IIRC and they generally get an explanation that paraphrases to it being a very complex operation to pull off and they should come back next year. The US has enough leverage over Germany that the Nord Stream incident is still an unsolved mystery where everyone just moved on. Probably the Russians did it. Tha…

The official line in Germany is actually that Ukraine most probably did it: https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/ndr-wdr/nordstream-17... https://www.br.de/nachrichten/deutschland-welt/nord-stream-s... https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/nord-stream-pipeline-explos...

Knowledge or agreement by Selensky is unclear, but there seem to be hints. Poland might have been complicit or at least turned a blind eye and seems to have let a wanted suspect escape to Ukraine.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US might literally just not give it to them. Germany has been trying to ask for their gold back for a while IIRC and they generally get an explanation that paraphrases to it being a very complex operation to pull off and they should come back next year. The US has enough leverage over Germany that the Nord Stream incident is still an unsolved mystery where everyone just moved on. Probably the Russians did it. Tha…

I thought this has been attributed to pro russian Ukrainians on the far right?

We do know know, there are so many people who would have loved to see Nord Stream blown up.

Our foreign minister for example in Poland, thanked USA for doing so :P I for example I'm happy NS2 got blown up, as it means relative safety for us. Germans won't be able to just go on about their business with Russia in the future.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

#46

I have no idea of the strategy behind it, but for some reasons italy has a lot of gold despite not buying it since a few decades https://www.bancaditalia.it/compiti/riserve-portafoglio-risc...

Good idea, no counter-party exposure like if you used USD, and seems to have worked as an inflation/crisis hedge judging by how well Italy did in the euro-crisis ~2008.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Question, how do you test if a bar of gold is really 100% gold without deforming it?

I have an auxilary question. Why don't countries have Gold Embassies around the world? Accounts which can be settled in Bulk (e.g. say $100 million gold equivalent size). This way no one country has monopoly on reserve asset.

They do. Countries frequently store gold with trading partners or allies. Germany for instance has extensive foreign gold reserves.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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https://archive.is/20250623093918/https://www.ft.com/content... I have doubts the current US administration would let them without some sort of retaliation (e.g. more tariffs)

The US might literally just not give it to them. Germany has been trying to ask for their gold back for a while IIRC and they generally get an explanation that paraphrases to it being a very complex operation to pull off and they should come back next year. The US has enough leverage over Germany that the Nord Stream incident is still an unsolved mystery where everyone just moved on. Probably the Russians did it. Tha…

People struggle with uncertainty so much that any magical thinking they can come up with will do… we simply don’t know the truth on this at all.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Question, how do you test if a bar of gold is really 100% gold without deforming it?

I love that this question, asked 20 minutes ago on HN, probably been asked on a monthly if not weekly basis by so many people since the invention of gold as currency.
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