I think the deal is that any country is allowed to have nukes or give up having nukes. No country without nukes is allowed to get nukes - unless they already have them of course.
Wait, Why Is Israel Allowed to Have Nukes?
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Re: Wait, Why Is Israel Allowed to Have Nukes?
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
You actually want a theocracy whose religion considers non-muslims to go sub-humam to have nukes and would even feel safer? The only thing that would make this constant war stop would be to cut all nations participating in these wars entirely off from the modern world. Revoke any travel permits, and stop any and all goods traveling to/from their borders, including to any nations ignoring such a ban. The only reason w…
> theocracy whose religion considers non-muslims to go sub-humam to have nukes and would even feel safer? we already support and BACK a theocracy, that considers (palestinian) non jews to be subhuman , to have nukes. You can argue all you want about Israel being a theocracy but their constitution mandates a jewish state. Your religion is on your passport and strongly impacts your quality of life when you're in the re…
You seem to be confused about the definition of the word theocracy if you unironically consider Israel one. No, you don't seem to be - you unquestionably are considering how you argued the point.
theocracy /θɪˈɒkrəsi/ noun
a system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god.Re: Wait, Why Is Israel Allowed to Have Nukes?
#43While it's generally estimated that Israel has nukes, there's actually no evidence that they do. They've never tested one and you're never going to hold something in your pocket for defense that's untested. 1998 India/Pakistan was a rough year; but every nuclear power has tested their bombs to make sure they work. There are detection systems that were able to detect sub kiloton explosions in NK from across the world;…
> While it's generally estimated that Israel has nukes, there's actually no evidence that they do. They've never tested one and you're never going to hold something in your pocket for defense that's untested. That's one take. It's really hard to say what the US has allowed as regards Israel. Locals near a particular nuclear facility can recall an Israeli "team of scientists" mysteriously visiting the facility, a year…
facility is in the middle of the desert, in the middle of the nothing 8 miles from "locals"
not sure how locals can see "team of scientists" visiting it
Re: Wait, Why Is Israel Allowed to Have Nukes?
#44While it's generally estimated that Israel has nukes, there's actually no evidence that they do. They've never tested one and you're never going to hold something in your pocket for defense that's untested. 1998 India/Pakistan was a rough year; but every nuclear power has tested their bombs to make sure they work. There are detection systems that were able to detect sub kiloton explosions in NK from across the world;…
> They've never tested one and you're never going to hold something in your pocket for defense that's untested. Vela Incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident
there is a list of 6 possible countries there
Re: Wait, Why Is Israel Allowed to Have Nukes?
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
You actually want a theocracy whose religion considers non-muslims to go sub-humam to have nukes and would even feel safer? The only thing that would make this constant war stop would be to cut all nations participating in these wars entirely off from the modern world. Revoke any travel permits, and stop any and all goods traveling to/from their borders, including to any nations ignoring such a ban. The only reason w…
> theocracy whose religion considers non-muslims to go sub-humam to have nukes and would even feel safer? we already support and BACK a theocracy, that considers (palestinian) non jews to be subhuman , to have nukes. You can argue all you want about Israel being a theocracy but their constitution mandates a jewish state. Your religion is on your passport and strongly impacts your quality of life when you're in the re…
Even if what you're saying is true (theocracy, subhuman etc etc), the reality is we have almost 60 years of experience saying Israel isn't irresponsible with nukes. We can't say that about any of the other countries in the region like Iran, Turkey, Syria, Yemen etc etc. It would be one giant experiment to have everyone armed with nukes.
Re: Wait, Why Is Israel Allowed to Have Nukes?
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They've never tested one and you're never going to hold something in your pocket for defense that's untested. Vela Incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident
there is a list of 6 possible countries there
With Israel as the most likely country that did the test with SA permission. It's very unlikely that the Soviet, Pakistan, India or France to do nuclear test there.
Re: Wait, Why Is Israel Allowed to Have Nukes?
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
> theocracy whose religion considers non-muslims to go sub-humam to have nukes and would even feel safer? we already support and BACK a theocracy, that considers (palestinian) non jews to be subhuman , to have nukes. You can argue all you want about Israel being a theocracy but their constitution mandates a jewish state. Your religion is on your passport and strongly impacts your quality of life when you're in the re…
You seem to be confused about the definition of the word theocracy if you unironically consider Israel one. No, you don't seem to be - you unquestionably are considering how you argued the point. theocracy /θɪˈɒkrəsi/ noun a system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god.
you're absolutely correct. it would be more accurate to call Israel an ethnosupremacist state. For all intents and purposes, I consider the alternative terminology a reasonable substitute when looking at outcomes.
Re: Wait, Why Is Israel Allowed to Have Nukes?
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
> theocracy whose religion considers non-muslims to go sub-humam to have nukes and would even feel safer? we already support and BACK a theocracy, that considers (palestinian) non jews to be subhuman , to have nukes. You can argue all you want about Israel being a theocracy but their constitution mandates a jewish state. Your religion is on your passport and strongly impacts your quality of life when you're in the re…
Even if what you're saying is true (theocracy, subhuman etc etc), the reality is we have almost 60 years of experience saying Israel isn't irresponsible with nukes. We can't say that about any of the other countries in the region like Iran, Turkey, Syria, Yemen etc etc. It would be one giant experiment to have everyone armed with nukes.
> We can't say that about any of the other countries in the region like Iran, Turkey, Syria, Yemen etc etc.
Can we for a second, step back and acknowledge who CAUSED the instability in those countries? Iran, off the top of my head, had a secular democratic government until the CIA orchestrated a coup.
Meanwhile, I certainly don't trust a country with nukes that has single handedly spearheaded a genocide that has resulted in the death of over 20 thousand children. Its literally a magnitude order more deaths per year than any other armed conflict. If you want to argue that religious zelots should not be trusted with nukes, I fully agree with you. but lets apply that logic to all countries. not just the ones that "ally" with us.
Re: Wait, Why Is Israel Allowed to Have Nukes?
#49Answered in the first 5 words of the subtitle: > According to our elected leaders, we should be very scared of the possibility that Iran could get a nuclear bomb. But Israel already has them, and ... For the past 80 years, it's been all-but-guaranteed that you won't win an American election if you seem insufficiently pro-Israel. Yes, there are plenty of objective arguments for America's foreign policy being far less…
Could you elaborate on the reasons for this pro Israel preference?
I thought that it was mostly because Israel is backed by evangelists who have a large electorate + lobby from the people with Jewish roots or faith.