Live data from Hacker News

The App Store Nightmare

deplinenoise.wordpress.com

41–50 of 107 posts

Re: The App Store Nightmare

#41
post #9

Is the issue limited to Apple? What's about other ecosystems and app stores?

No, it applies to almost every digital store that operates within the law in multiple regions. Why HN is hailing this like the coming of the Apple apocalypse or an "I-told-you-so" opportunity for those who hate Apple is beyond me.

This isn't unique, new, notable or even newsworthy. It's just how digital goods purchases work. Welcome to 2007, people.

Re: The App Store Nightmare

#42

The writing's been on the wall for a very long time now. This is just another symptom of the continuing clamp down of OS X. The App Store was the first manacle, and Gatekeeper is the second. It's no longer the default that you can install apps from outside the Apple walled garden. I'll go out on a limb and guess that a couple of OS X versions from now they'll move the override to an obscure command line. The next one…

Most of us can't just move to Linux. Using Adobe software on Wine is crap, the app selection is a thousand times smaller and lower quality.

Simply having a Fireworks-compatible (and good) app would go 80% of the way...

Re: The App Store Nightmare

#43
post #24
post #9

Is the issue limited to Apple? What's about other ecosystems and app stores?

Living in multiple countries always has, and always will be a huge hassle when it comes to DRM-ed wares / online shopping (there's usually a tangible benefit from saying that you live somewhere that you're not currently, because of regional pricing etc so providers tend to lock it down). They also have a legal obligation to verify your location to ensure that you're paying the right taxes etc. If you're in a complex…

> and I've definitely never heard of another company charging for this type of legitimate support

Go to support.microsoft.com. File a request for any consumer tech support problem. Boom, before you've even spoken to anyone, you've gotta fork over $59. It actually charges your credit card online before you get to speak to someone.

Apple at least always answers your calls and provides advice before attempting an upsell to AppleCare. With Microsoft, you're going to be shelling out a minimum of $59 just to get them to open a chat window. That's assuming you're using a consumer Windows product. Use an enterprise variant or server OS? That'll be a minimum of $295 to talk to a human.

Re: The App Store Nightmare

#44
post #5

Lest anyone think the problem is solely with juggling accounts across different geographies, here are some examples of how broken the whole Apple ID user experience is, even for people whose digital life never leaves the US: - It's impossible to merge accounts or move purchases from one account to another, even if they are associated with the the same credit card information - If you have ever at any point used an em…

For point number 2, simply delete the "rescue address" and then change the primary ID to that email address you just removed.

Primary contact on the account has now been changed.

Re: The App Store Nightmare

#45

Oh tell me about it. I used to split my time between the US and Brazil, and had credit cards and bank accounts in both. Sometimes apps I'd want would only be on one store, and sometimes only on the other. But Apple simply doesn't allow for people who reside in multiple countries, and have credit cards in multiple countries. I guess that lifestyle doesn't fit the "Apple way" -- it's thinking too different. It's absolu…

Apple is all about streamlining and optimizing for the common case. Not providing options for the minority with different preferences. If your lifestyle doesn't match, then you're doing it wrong.

Huh? How is it "doing it wrong" to live on two continents? Apple may not be the optimum choice for the poster, but perhaps they should tell you that when you're browsing stuff in the Apple store.

Re: The App Store Nightmare

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is all about streamlining and optimizing for the common case. Not providing options for the minority with different preferences. If your lifestyle doesn't match, then you're doing it wrong.

That doesn't mean that people can't complain about it. They could have easily supported multiple locations and credit cards and still streamline the process, and the only users who'd have to deal with it are the ones who need to use the feature.

I think you didn't pick up on ddlatham's sarcasm. :)

Re: The App Store Nightmare

#48
post #5

Lest anyone think the problem is solely with juggling accounts across different geographies, here are some examples of how broken the whole Apple ID user experience is, even for people whose digital life never leaves the US: - It's impossible to merge accounts or move purchases from one account to another, even if they are associated with the the same credit card information - If you have ever at any point used an em…

One other problem: You cannot change the credit card details on your account if you are currently mid-way though a TV season you have purchased

Re: The App Store Nightmare

#49

You also can't use a CC address outside of the country you opened the iTunes account in, and they periodically re-validate that information so when you do give your bank your new address, as of course you will, you're in for even more fun.

So use a poste restante billing address, then, and never change it. Last I checked, picking up one's mail on a regular basis is not required by iTunes Ts and Cs, nor must a credit card remain on file to keep an iTunes account active.

> nor must a credit card remain on file to keep an iTunes > account active.

There is no way to delete credit card information from an Apple Store account, that I see. If you know of one, please do let me know!

Re: The App Store Nightmare

#50
post #27

I travel full time, and have been living all over the world for the past four years and never had this problem. From Romania to Chile, Venice to England wherever I am, my iTunes works the way I'd expect. Compared to HULU and Netflix, Apple is one of the best in this regard. I have to get on a VPN to the USA to use my HULU or Netflix accounts, but iTunes just works, globally. I have a US itunes account, and use it in…

I've had no end of problems with them while traveling in SE Asia, including having my account locked several times. If I didn't have a few friends inside Apple put in a word for me I think it's very likely my account would still be locked, with absolutely no explanation as to why. I've learned the hard way not to go anywhere near the iTunes store without a VPN back to the U.S.

Do you think it might have to do with the specific countries you're in? I've never had an issue with Apple on this but that's from living in Japan and bouncing back and forth between the US/Japan stores. On the other hand, Google usually takes three days or so of warnings before gmail settles down.
Post reply on HN