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Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by pipeline_peak »

dale_huevo wrote: post #39
vondur wrote: post #25

This is a huge e-waste issue. I work as a Sysadmin in a large public university, and I've been spending the last year or so removing and replacing large amounts of computers that can no longer run a supported version of Windows. I just recently sent around 50 computers to a company that supposedly donates/resales them, but I'm going to guess most will end up as E-waste prematurely. Yes, we can purchase an extended su…

Why is this e-waste when compared to old Mac laptops - many of which are in perfect working order, save Apple arbitrarily stopping OS updates because they were too lazy to maintain or update device drivers. Somehow MS requiring TPM2 for Windows 11 was the end of humanity as we know it, but a Mac with a T2 chip is heralded as progress. If anything many of these PCs will enjoy a second life off eBay in someone's home-l…

Who is denying that Apple is responsible for e-waste?

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by mock-possum »

JCattheATM wrote: post #11

I guess I'm going to have to put in effort to tame W11 into submission the way I did 10, but I'm not looking forward it - I honestly rarely have a need for it these days.

You can get close, in my experience, but there are some things that windows 11 simply will not allow you to do.

The two that piss me off the most are - web results in start menu - and there being no option to always show all icons in the system tray.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by schmidtleonard »

Lammy wrote: post #31

I've already been living this life for half a decade, since my PC's motherboard only supports up to Windows 10 v1909 for some reason. No idea why or what component could be the cause, but the later updates indeed fail to install and automatically roll back to v1909 when I try. They eventually updated the product page to mention it: https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/X10SAE (at the very bottom) > Note:…

I'm very interested in learning which motherboard component blocks the first party malware because I want this too. Any ideas?

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by dale_huevo »

pipeline_peak wrote: post #41
dale_huevo wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this e-waste when compared to old Mac laptops - many of which are in perfect working order, save Apple arbitrarily stopping OS updates because they were too lazy to maintain or update device drivers. Somehow MS requiring TPM2 for Windows 11 was the end of humanity as we know it, but a Mac with a T2 chip is heralded as progress. If anything many of these PCs will enjoy a second life off eBay in someone's home-l…

Who is denying that Apple is responsible for e-waste?

It's just not a criticism I see put forth as often or as loudly. In this case, those old Windows PCs have a much better chance at a second life than a purpose-built Mac, so the criticism is largely unjustified.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by bongodongobob »

vondur wrote: post #25

This is a huge e-waste issue. I work as a Sysadmin in a large public university, and I've been spending the last year or so removing and replacing large amounts of computers that can no longer run a supported version of Windows. I just recently sent around 50 computers to a company that supposedly donates/resales them, but I'm going to guess most will end up as E-waste prematurely. Yes, we can purchase an extended su…

You should be retiring your oldest 20% every year anyway to keep things on a 5 year cycle. You're absolutely killing your helpdesk team if you keep computers until they die.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by jamespo »

ralferoo wrote: post #8

> So Microsoft decided to produce tons of e-waste for no obvious reason. There's a lot of capable hardware out there, and it would be of software company's interest to support as much hardware as possible. The author then goes on to describe how he's just purchased 3 new Windows 11 licences... (indirectly via new computers)

including a high end workstation even though his old machine could upgrade to win 11 just fine

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by throw_m239339 »

pkulak wrote: post #34
vondur wrote: post #25

This is a huge e-waste issue. I work as a Sysadmin in a large public university, and I've been spending the last year or so removing and replacing large amounts of computers that can no longer run a supported version of Windows. I just recently sent around 50 computers to a company that supposedly donates/resales them, but I'm going to guess most will end up as E-waste prematurely. Yes, we can purchase an extended su…

I buy old laptops and corporate desktops off eBay (and FreeGeek) constantly. I really hope people sell them instead of recycling them. They're not worthless, especially to people like me with zero interest in Windows.

I only buy old refurbished DELL/ LENOVO/... computers because of the numerous ports and they are better build than the recent one at the same price (I'm often using them outdoors in rain, cold, or sandy places, something that would wear off any cheap new laptop way too fast). Hopefully sellers online won't stop selling them if they can't get new W10 OEM licenses, but most people want windows, not Linux.

The only reason most of these computers cannot run W11 is the graphic card, nothing more, they can have 16+ gigs of RAM, can be upgraded with internal 5G wifi cards for cheap, and yes, I still use ExpressCard PCMCIA extensions as well (to add USB ports for instance), or even docking stations!

edit: they are easier to repair as well or find parts for because the design goal wasn't to be ultra-thin or ultra-light.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by dspillett »

JCattheATM wrote: post #11

I guess I'm going to have to put in effort to tame W11 into submission the way I did 10, but I'm not looking forward it - I honestly rarely have a need for it these days.

I've found https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher to be useful, though test it out before relying on it as some have reported stability issues with some options (I've not noticed any problems myself, other than things a little confused by my ZenBook's 1.5 screens when positioning some UI parts).

There are a few other similar tools to try as well, I'll leave others to talk about them as I never got around to trying more than this one so can't talk with any authority at all.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by ReptileMan »

Here is a fun quiz - what you think are the best features windows obtained after 7 (and 7 main feature was - is not Vista)? Windows store/apps are terrible, the online integration in the start menu is a torment. Cortana/copilot are useless at best. File search is absurdly slow - to the point where the almost abandonware Everything kicks MS ass. So we are left with only WSL.
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