If people would be as patient and inventive to teach junior devs as they are with llms the whole industry would be better of.
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It sounds like this person doesn't deserve to be under your wing. Time to let him fly for himself, or crash.
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#42If people would be as patient and inventive to teach junior devs as they are with llms the whole industry would be better of.
You pay junior devs way way way more money for the privilege of them being bad. And since they're human, the juniors themselves do not have the patience of an LLM. I really would not want to be a junior dev right now... Very unfair and undesirable situation they've landed in.
> I really would not want to be a junior dev right now... Very unfair and undesirable situation they've landed in.
I don't really get this, at the beginning of my career I masquaraded as a senior dev with experience as fast as I could until it was laundered into actual experience
Form the LLC and that's your prior professional experience, working for it
I felt I needed to do that and that was way before generative AI, like at least a decade
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At least it’s easier to teach yourself anything now with an LLM? So maybe it balances out.
I think it's actually even worse: it's easier to trick yourself into thinking you're teaching yourself anything. Learning comes from grinding and LLMs are the ultimate anti-intellectual-grind machines. Which is great for when you're not trying to learn a skill!
>>Learning comes from grinding
Says who? While “grinding” is one way to learn something, asking AI for a detailed explanation and actually consuming that knowledge with the intent to learn (rather than just copy and pasting) is another way.
Yes, you should be on guard since a lot of what it says can be false, but it’s still a great tool to help you learn something. It doesn’t completely replace technical blogs, books, and hard earned experience, but let’s not pretend that LLMs, when used appropriately, don’t provide an educational benefit.
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Also I don't trust it. They touched on that I think (I only skimmed). Plus you shouldn't need an LLM to understand a codebase. Just make it more understandable! Of course capital likes shortcuts and hacks to get the next feature out in Q3.
> Plus you shouldn't need an LLM to understand a codebase. Just make it more understandable! The kind of person who prefers this setup wants to read (and write) the least amount of code on their own. So their ideal workflow is one where they get to make programs through natural language. Making codebases understandable for this group is mostly a waste of effort. It's a wild twist of fate that programming languages we…
> It's a wild twist of fate that programming languages were intended to make programming friendly to humans, and now humans don't want to read them at all.
Those are two different groups of humans, as you implied yourself.
Re: Snorting the AGI with Claude Code
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I think it's actually even worse: it's easier to trick yourself into thinking you're teaching yourself anything. Learning comes from grinding and LLMs are the ultimate anti-intellectual-grind machines. Which is great for when you're not trying to learn a skill!
>>Learning comes from grinding Says who? While “grinding” is one way to learn something, asking AI for a detailed explanation and actually consuming that knowledge with the intent to learn (rather than just copy and pasting) is another way. Yes, you should be on guard since a lot of what it says can be false, but it’s still a great tool to help you learn something. It doesn’t completely replace technical blogs, books…
Pretty much all education research ever points to the act of actually applying knowledge, especially against variable cases, to be required to learn something.
There is no learning by consumption (unfortunately, given how we mostly attempt to "educate" our youth).
I didn't say they don't or can't provide an educational benefit.
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You pay junior devs way way way more money for the privilege of them being bad. And since they're human, the juniors themselves do not have the patience of an LLM. I really would not want to be a junior dev right now... Very unfair and undesirable situation they've landed in.
Maybe it's the senior devs who should be the ones to worry? Seniors' attitudes on HN are often quick to dismiss AI assisted coding as something that can't replace the hard-earned experience and skill they've built up during their careers. Well maybe, maybe not. Senior devs can get a bit myopic in their specializations. Whereas a junior Dev doesn't have so much baggage, maybe the fertile brains of youth are better in…
Maybe! Probably not though.
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A constant reminder: you can't have wizards without having noobs. Every wizard was once a noob. No one is born that way, they were forged. It's in everybody's interest to train them. If they leave, you still benefit from the other companies who trained them, making the cost equal. Though if they leave, there's probably better ways to make them stay that you haven't considered (e.g. have you considered not paying new…
I'm sure people (esp engineers) know this. But imagine you're starting a company: would you try to deploy N agents (even if shitty), or take a financial/time/legal/social risk with a new hire. When you consider short-term costs, the math just never works out in favor of real humans.
I can’t stop thinking that this way of thinking is either plain wrong and misses completely what software development is really about. Or very true and in X years people will just ask the trending AI « I need a billing/CRM/X system with those constraints ». Then the AI will ask questions and refine the need. Work for 30mn the time to use libs and code the whole thing, pass into systems to test and deploy and voila. Custom feature on demand. No CEO, no sales, nobody. You just deploy your own SaaS feature.
Then good luck to scale properly and migrate data and add features and complexity. If agents hold onto their promise, then the future is custom based, you deploy what you need, SaaS platform is dead with everyone in between useless.
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You pay junior devs way way way more money for the privilege of them being bad. And since they're human, the juniors themselves do not have the patience of an LLM. I really would not want to be a junior dev right now... Very unfair and undesirable situation they've landed in.
Maybe it's the senior devs who should be the ones to worry? Seniors' attitudes on HN are often quick to dismiss AI assisted coding as something that can't replace the hard-earned experience and skill they've built up during their careers. Well maybe, maybe not. Senior devs can get a bit myopic in their specializations. Whereas a junior Dev doesn't have so much baggage, maybe the fertile brains of youth are better in…
Senior devs provide better instructions to the agent, and can recognize more kinds of mistakes and can recognize mistakes more quickly. The feedback loop is more useful to someone with more experience.
I had a feeling today that I should really be managing multiple instances at once, because they’re currently so slow that there’s some “downtime”.
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I think it's actually even worse: it's easier to trick yourself into thinking you're teaching yourself anything. Learning comes from grinding and LLMs are the ultimate anti-intellectual-grind machines. Which is great for when you're not trying to learn a skill!
>>Learning comes from grinding Says who? While “grinding” is one way to learn something, asking AI for a detailed explanation and actually consuming that knowledge with the intent to learn (rather than just copy and pasting) is another way. Yes, you should be on guard since a lot of what it says can be false, but it’s still a great tool to help you learn something. It doesn’t completely replace technical blogs, books…
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At least it’s easier to teach yourself anything now with an LLM? So maybe it balances out.
I think it's actually even worse: it's easier to trick yourself into thinking you're teaching yourself anything. Learning comes from grinding and LLMs are the ultimate anti-intellectual-grind machines. Which is great for when you're not trying to learn a skill!
Even though I think most people know this deep down, I still don't think we actively realize how optimized LLMs are towards sounding good. It's the ultra processed food version of information consumption. People are super lazy (economical if you like) and rlhf et al have optimized LLM output to being easy to digest.
Consequence is you get a bunch of output that looks really good as long as you don't think about it (and they actively promotes not thinking about it) that you don't really understand, and that if you did dig into you'd realize is empty fluff or actively wrong.
It's worse than not learning, it's actively generating unthinking but palatable garbage that's the opposite of learning.