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Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by pmontra »

BizarroLand wrote: post #36
arbll wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it will also try to influence what you like to maximize engagement unfortunately...

There's a cliff though. It will happen for different people at different times, but at some point the realization that you are looking at people who don't exist living lives that aren't possible to sell you products that won't help you will click for you, and when it does it will cut you off from society in a way we don't currently have words for.

> you are looking at people who don't exist living lives that aren't possible to sell you products that won't help you

That's a description of most TV commercials.

Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by bobxmax »

energywut wrote: post #17

We're so fucked, as a species. People are already way too easy to get to believe conspiracy theories. Shit like Pizzagate or whatever is only going to get more common when bad people start making, "and look, here's the video proof!" And we've already got Tiktok and Youtube Shorts just pumping the dopamine centers in the brain for short form content. Generating shit you like dynamically is going to be an addictive nig…

That's been happening since Photoshop. Describing this as some apocalyptic event is absurd.

Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by troupo »

echelon wrote: post #38
robviren wrote: post #34

I look forward to a day when capabilities like this are trivial and boring to the average person. When my phone (locally) will be able to generate a fully voice acted 24 episode series anime on a whim for a meme with my group chat. It's astounding what we can do now, but will be completely ignorable before we know it, which is equally wild.

More content will be made in a single month than all of human history up to this point. No more Disney-fication, no more Marvel / Star Wars "mass media slop". We'll have media that caters to people's long-tail interests. If you have a passion for Egyptology and Atlantis, you'll be able to watch a steampunk adventure about the Egyptians waging war with the Atlanteans. But perhaps with the serious tone of "The Wire". T…

> No more Disney-fication, no more Marvel / Star Wars "mass media slop". We'll have media that caters to people's long-tail interests.

Lol. Where do you think these models will get the source data for these amazing generations?

Also, an average person's "long tail" is incredibly boring (I know mine is). You will need someone to create a next Breaking Bad, or a next Discworld, or... Your slop-generating machine will not be able to generate it from a "long tail"

Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by Barrin92 »

echelon wrote: post #38
robviren wrote: post #34

I look forward to a day when capabilities like this are trivial and boring to the average person. When my phone (locally) will be able to generate a fully voice acted 24 episode series anime on a whim for a meme with my group chat. It's astounding what we can do now, but will be completely ignorable before we know it, which is equally wild.

More content will be made in a single month than all of human history up to this point. No more Disney-fication, no more Marvel / Star Wars "mass media slop". We'll have media that caters to people's long-tail interests. If you have a passion for Egyptology and Atlantis, you'll be able to watch a steampunk adventure about the Egyptians waging war with the Atlanteans. But perhaps with the serious tone of "The Wire". T…

>Egyptians waging war with the Atlanteans. But perhaps with the serious tone of "The Wire". That would never have been greenlit before

This is quite literally what the Marvel / Star wars mass media slop is, a sort of syncretistic version of every pop culture phenomenon scientifically engineered down to A/B tested audience taste. It's excatly what you're complaining about, never-ending banal stuff. It'll be Disneyfication on steroids.

It's a sort of media masturbation, hooking your brain up to itself and feeding it its own output, what the large studios are already doing with their franchises, just on an individual level. You'll basically sit in your own never-ending Marvel hell, basically D.F Wallace's Infinite Jest.

Art is obviously the opposite, something external and disruptive, a creative act from someone who isn't you.

Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by echelon »

troupo wrote: post #43
echelon wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More content will be made in a single month than all of human history up to this point. No more Disney-fication, no more Marvel / Star Wars "mass media slop". We'll have media that caters to people's long-tail interests. If you have a passion for Egyptology and Atlantis, you'll be able to watch a steampunk adventure about the Egyptians waging war with the Atlanteans. But perhaps with the serious tone of "The Wire". T…

> No more Disney-fication, no more Marvel / Star Wars "mass media slop". We'll have media that caters to people's long-tail interests. Lol. Where do you think these models will get the source data for these amazing generations? Also, an average person's "long tail" is incredibly boring (I know mine is). You will need someone to create a next Breaking Bad, or a next Discworld, or... Your slop-generating machine will n…

> Where do you think these models will get the source data for these amazing generations?

Doesn't matter one bit, just like mp3 and torrents didn't stop digital music.

If you care, there are already "ethical models", there are synthetic datasets, and soon rights holders will be licensing training data.

But it literally doesn't matter. The entire world will be on board soon. IP holders included.

> Your slop-generating machine

I'm in the industry. We're not talking about LLMs powering this, but writers and directors and VFX artists.

Hollywood is switching to AI rapidly. The problem for the studios is we don't need them anymore. They only existed because distribution and capital were hard. That isn't the case anymore. A skilled team of five can make content on their own.

Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by AntonCTO »

bobxmax wrote: post #42
energywut wrote: post #17

We're so fucked, as a species. People are already way too easy to get to believe conspiracy theories. Shit like Pizzagate or whatever is only going to get more common when bad people start making, "and look, here's the video proof!" And we've already got Tiktok and Youtube Shorts just pumping the dopamine centers in the brain for short form content. Generating shit you like dynamically is going to be an addictive nig…

That's been happening since Photoshop. Describing this as some apocalyptic event is absurd.

Photoshop requires skills. The comparison with Photoshop is absurd.

Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by Thaxll »

Intralexical wrote: post #26
thebestmoshe wrote: post #5

The future is something like the TikTok algorithm, but generated on the fly. As you scroll, it learns what you like and generates more videos.

I think this is an unfortunate misunderstanding of why people like and use social media. ChatGPT can already generate endless "comments". And yet you're here.

No one knows if you're a bot or a human.

Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by cchance »

really coo, but wheres the sound? i'd expect that they'd have built in the sound model since its gonna look like SOTA for video, VEO3 is great for video but the audios what knocks it out of the park

Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by cchance »

echelon wrote: post #22
pointlessone wrote: post #11

Some of the shots are impressive but… Even among these hand-picked examples there’s a plenty of unnatural movement. And it seems like it was trained on the most hyperactive subset of tiktok as it apparently can’t hold a scene for more than 5 seconds.

ByteDance has been testing their model on the Model Arena for weeks. They were covertly calling their model "Unicorn" until just a few days ago. It's already ranking better than Google Veo 3: https://artificialanalysis.ai/text-to-video/arena?tab=leader...

By a LOT too lol, not even close, wow, that said, i imagine if they enabled veo3's sound... it would win lol
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