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Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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I think my autonomavertigo would prevent me from ever taking a Waymo. Autonomavertigo (noun): The disorienting fear or anxiety experienced when surrendering control to autonomous systems, especially self-driving vehicles. Often accompanied by phantom brake-pumping and suspicious glances at the dashboard.

Not dismissing your concerns, but curious how you deal with elevators or escalators

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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The photo in the pictures is a brand new Jaguar. Just sayin’ I was under the impression they use Chrysler minvans, but I’d pay more to ride in a late model Jaguar than some random Hyundai.

I mean, if you’ve ever set foot in a Hyundai Ioniq 5/6, they’re better than any of the alternatives from American brands.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

#43
post #12

Electronic vehicles have made riding in Uber's an almost uniformly nauseating experience (literally). In order of preference I will walk/bike -> public transit -> Waymo -> drive myself -> consider staying at home -> Uber/Lyft

> Electronic vehicles have made riding in Uber's an almost uniformly nauseating experience I've heard this a lot. Are drivers heavily accelerating and decelerating?

Teslas do this by default. They have very strong acceleration, since they were marketed as "sports cars" to people who don't know sports cars, and strong regeneration for efficiency and one-pedal driving.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I pay a premium for Waymos. No need to tip, or even think about whether one should tip. The ride won’t cancel on me, which makes it more reliable. (Waymos are also more consistently clean.) I can take phone calls without worrying about my rider rating. And yeah, they’re more fun because they're novel.

The “consistently clean” part won’t last, that’s just because they’re new. In 2010 “they’re consistently clean” was an advantage of Ubers over yellow cabs, which of course is gone now. But I agree with the rest of this.

My only experience with a dirty Waymo was smell. I reported it in app and got a message they recalled it to be cleaned.

I think the fact they can just take a car out of rotation and to the hub which probably has dedicated cleaning staff is a big reason it will last.

Your average uber driver is desperate to work. I’ve seen a driver open his trunk and clean up urine from a drunk female passenger he just dropped off in front of me and then just carry on with our ride like it was no big deal.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

#45
In Austin, Waymos are hailed via the Uber app, which will quote you a price which is good for either a conventional Uber or a Waymo, and you get a Waymo if one is available. Same price. The Waymo is actually cheaper because there's no tip.

The issue I have with Waymo is that getting in and out of those i-Paces as a "person of height" is rather difficult - I really have to do a strange contortion - and if I want to sit in the right rear, there's nobody in front to pull the seat up for me so there's not enough legroom. (I've moved to adjusting and sitting in the front passenger seat when I get a Waymo, something human Uber drivers hate.)

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

#46

A robot isn’t going to decide it doesn’t want to take my ride after accepting it and drive around aimlessly hoping I’ll get tired of waiting and cancel. I haven’t needed Uber/Lyft on a regular basis in several years, but back when I did that was a frequently recurring problem.

There's also a problem of drivers discriminating, like canceling rides if they see you have a guide dog. It's illegal and they can get banned for it, but it still happens. This wouldn't happen in a Waymo.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

#47
The Waymo cars are really comfortable luxury Jaguars. For Uber and Lyft there are many price tiers, but to reliably get an equally or more comfortable car you probably need to book the black car options. I’m sure Uber / Lyft are way more expensive per mile than Waymo on that tier.

In addition to all the things people have pointed out that makes it a better experience.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I pay a premium for Waymos. No need to tip, or even think about whether one should tip. The ride won’t cancel on me, which makes it more reliable. (Waymos are also more consistently clean.) I can take phone calls without worrying about my rider rating. And yeah, they’re more fun because they're novel.

The “consistently clean” part won’t last, that’s just because they’re new. In 2010 “they’re consistently clean” was an advantage of Ubers over yellow cabs, which of course is gone now. But I agree with the rest of this.

> The “consistently clean” part won’t last, that’s just because they’re new.

A fair bit of the unclean part of Ubers/Lyfts comes from the drivers: cigarettes, marijuana, food, perfume, air "fresheners", body odor.

Waymo's have internal cameras that can detect visible uncleanliness.

Easy to report and have accountability (to the previous rider) if there's a significant cleanliness problem (spilled food, vomit).

Next generation Zeekr vehicles (limited by tariffs right now) might be better designed for cleaning: better materials, fewer nooks and crannies, larger door openings.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

#49
my eastern european mind cannot comprehend 2 things:

- if the average price per ride is $20.43 and average price per km is $11.22 does it mean that the average ride length is 1.8km? that seems kinda low..., like that's something I would walk if I didn't hurry..

- if the higher prices are really influenced by costs of operating AV and not simple greed fueled by "offering a better product", how long it's gonna take to be competitive in countries where driver salaries are lower than US? In Bratislava where I'm from the UberX price per km outside surges are lower than 1€ (there's a minimum price per ride of 4.50€ though, but a ride to the airport which is 9km away is 7.41€ now (and that's without the frequent discounts Uber offers, currently I have a 30% discount offered and it would cost me 5.19€ with the discount)...

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

#50
post #31

I pay more: - To support cool technology - To ride in a high end car of known quality - To listen to my music and at any volume - To not feel weird about the little things like talking or rolling down my windows or setting an AC Temperature - To know exactly when and where my driver will pick me up down to the exact curb. - To not have to make small talk with a person. Even when requesting quiet preferred you’ll get…

And carsickness. In stop-sign city traffic, I get nauseous with the breaking and speeding of aggressive driving. I mean stop signs are problematic for other reasons too, but I don’t want to get to a dinner with friends feeling sick.

That said, if I’m going mostly highway to the airport I want a driver who’s knowledgeable and opportunistic, picking the best lanes and not missing lights.

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