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Re: AOSP project is coming to an end

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Post by vachina »

onli wrote: post #31
DidYaWipe wrote: post #21

Can you even use the Play store on AOSP? I was interested in trying it (I don't use Android currently) but from what I gathered it seemed like a bit of a fraud (on Google's part) because it was fundamentally gimped.

You can on ROMs like LineageOS. The Play Store is part of the Gapps package some users install during the installation of the system. Alternatively there is microG and the Aurora Store, so the play store itself isn't needed. I assume that is the same situation on raw AOSP.

Some apps will delegate parts of itself to be downloaded from play store on demand. Meaning without play store, some apps literally won’t work because it will fail to launch the component needed to be downloaded from play store.

I’ve came across this in app when accessing some secure flows, like adding credit card numbers.

Re: AOSP project is coming to an end

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Post by gioazzi »

Aachen wrote: post #37
terhechte wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is my biggest iPad gripe. I understand the security, but just make it a new "entitlement" that is only given to UTM, Parallels and VMWare fusion. Or make it a "developer mode" that you can only enable if you pay $99 a year. I'd be fine with that, but the whole iPad is unusable for any kind of software development and I'd love to be able to travel with just an iPad because for everything else I do while I'm trave…

Urchin Tag Manager?

UTM is a Mac/iOS emulator and VM host

https://getutm.app/

Re: AOSP project is coming to an end

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Post by Aachen »

DidYaWipe wrote: post #21

Can you even use the Play store on AOSP? I was interested in trying it (I don't use Android currently) but from what I gathered it seemed like a bit of a fraud (on Google's part) because it was fundamentally gimped.

In the same way that manufacturers can add the store ("vending") and supporting APKs to the AOSP base they're building upon

Re: AOSP project is coming to an end

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Post by tacker2000 »

terhechte wrote: post #20
transpute wrote: post #13

Hopefully AOSP Pixel device support is merely delayed, not ended, since Pixel is the only way to get Debian Linux ("Terminal") VM + desktop mode support, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43973395 . With Apple's ongoing refusal to enable VM/JIT support on iOS and iPad, Google Pixel + GrapheneOS + Debian is a very competitive 2025 offering.

This is my biggest iPad gripe. I understand the security, but just make it a new "entitlement" that is only given to UTM, Parallels and VMWare fusion. Or make it a "developer mode" that you can only enable if you pay $99 a year. I'd be fine with that, but the whole iPad is unusable for any kind of software development and I'd love to be able to travel with just an iPad because for everything else I do while I'm trave…

They will never allow this. They want to control and also cash in on the apps you use on these devices.

Re: AOSP project is coming to an end

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Post by izacus »

flanbiscuit wrote: post #30
pzo wrote: post #7

sad, was thinking to switch from iPhone to pixel 10 in few months once released exactly for the reason that is clean android and gives and escape hatch to use grapheneOS or lineageOS or calysOS. Any other android phone manufacturer that is supported by any of those projects? Most devices supported except pixel devices are few years old.

I'm moving away from Pixel Phones for my next Android. Going to switch back to Samsung. I currently have a Pixel 8 and my screen went completely green and glitchy yesterday (Google "android green screen", it's a hardware issue). It freaked me out because Im in the beginning of a long vacation with tickets held digitally in various apps and email. Thankfully I eventually figured out the solution which is ridiculous, w…

Why not return your phone for warranty when its obviously broken (hardware wise)?

Re: AOSP project is coming to an end

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Post by jhasse »

flanbiscuit wrote: post #30
pzo wrote: post #7

sad, was thinking to switch from iPhone to pixel 10 in few months once released exactly for the reason that is clean android and gives and escape hatch to use grapheneOS or lineageOS or calysOS. Any other android phone manufacturer that is supported by any of those projects? Most devices supported except pixel devices are few years old.

I'm moving away from Pixel Phones for my next Android. Going to switch back to Samsung. I currently have a Pixel 8 and my screen went completely green and glitchy yesterday (Google "android green screen", it's a hardware issue). It freaked me out because Im in the beginning of a long vacation with tickets held digitally in various apps and email. Thankfully I eventually figured out the solution which is ridiculous, w…

The green screen issue is covered by warranty, so get your display swapped at an official repair store. The new ones don't have the green screen issue.

Re: AOSP project is coming to an end

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Post by fc417fc802 »

flotzam wrote: post #38
immibis wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once they give you the device, they're legally required to give you the source code. Most manufacturers don't, but you can sue them and win.

Most of AOSP is Apache 2.0 licensed (permissive, not copyleft)

I believe the device tree stuff is GPL due to the kernel. Might be mistaken though.

Re: AOSP project is coming to an end

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Post by misnome »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #34
terhechte wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is my biggest iPad gripe. I understand the security, but just make it a new "entitlement" that is only given to UTM, Parallels and VMWare fusion. Or make it a "developer mode" that you can only enable if you pay $99 a year. I'd be fine with that, but the whole iPad is unusable for any kind of software development and I'd love to be able to travel with just an iPad because for everything else I do while I'm trave…

If it was really about security (in the sense of that which benefits the end user) they'd just stick it behind a toggle and be done with it. I just think it's important to call out the misalignment - security can refer to the interests of the end user, or alternatively to the vendor. The ambiguity is convenient for PR statements.

We’ve decades of examples of simple toggles not working. Bad actors will just explain to the target the necessity of switching it on.

Re: AOSP project is coming to an end

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Post by bubblethink »

flanbiscuit wrote: post #30
pzo wrote: post #7

sad, was thinking to switch from iPhone to pixel 10 in few months once released exactly for the reason that is clean android and gives and escape hatch to use grapheneOS or lineageOS or calysOS. Any other android phone manufacturer that is supported by any of those projects? Most devices supported except pixel devices are few years old.

I'm moving away from Pixel Phones for my next Android. Going to switch back to Samsung. I currently have a Pixel 8 and my screen went completely green and glitchy yesterday (Google "android green screen", it's a hardware issue). It freaked me out because Im in the beginning of a long vacation with tickets held digitally in various apps and email. Thankfully I eventually figured out the solution which is ridiculous, w…

You need to manage your expectations with Pixel devices. They are often on sale. Buy the A series for ~$300, which is also what the Nexus phones used to be priced at. They easily last 3+ years, and if they die after that it's no big deal. Dying early, bootlooping, overheating, etc. have been a part of these devices since they have existed.

Re: AOSP project is coming to an end

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Post by DaSHacka »

throawayonthe wrote: post #35
pzo wrote: post #7

sad, was thinking to switch from iPhone to pixel 10 in few months once released exactly for the reason that is clean android and gives and escape hatch to use grapheneOS or lineageOS or calysOS. Any other android phone manufacturer that is supported by any of those projects? Most devices supported except pixel devices are few years old.

grapheneos is still going strong https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114661914197695338

Glad to hear, that was my immediate worry upon seeing the thread.
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