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Re: Bruteforcing the phone number of any Google user

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Neat find, though it's funny to me that a phone number is something people (including everyone on this thread I bet) have been handing out like candy their entire adult lives - to friends, stores, banks, employers, government agencies, random websites – but still expect it to remain some critical secret that no one should ever find out. A phone number is about as private as your name, and you should consider it as such.

Re: Bruteforcing the phone number of any Google user

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post #41

Neat find, though it's funny to me that a phone number is something people (including everyone on this thread I bet) have been handing out like candy their entire adult lives - to friends, stores, banks, employers, government agencies, random websites – but still expect it to remain some critical secret that no one should ever find out. A phone number is about as private as your name, and you should consider it as su…

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Re: Bruteforcing the phone number of any Google user

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post #41

Neat find, though it's funny to me that a phone number is something people (including everyone on this thread I bet) have been handing out like candy their entire adult lives - to friends, stores, banks, employers, government agencies, random websites – but still expect it to remain some critical secret that no one should ever find out. A phone number is about as private as your name, and you should consider it as su…

No it isn't. You give it to people you trust mostly you don't expect them to make it available publicly on the Internet.

Re: Bruteforcing the phone number of any Google user

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post #41

Neat find, though it's funny to me that a phone number is something people (including everyone on this thread I bet) have been handing out like candy their entire adult lives - to friends, stores, banks, employers, government agencies, random websites – but still expect it to remain some critical secret that no one should ever find out. A phone number is about as private as your name, and you should consider it as su…

Uhh . . . this is not an earth-shattering take, considering they used to publish entire books with everyone's phone numbers and addresses in them, and you had to pay a fee not to have your number listed.

Are we really to the point people don't understand the concept of a phone book anymore?

Re: Bruteforcing the phone number of any Google user

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it makes you feel better (it probably won't) hundreds/thousands of services have collected your phone number over the years (for 2FA or any other reason), with or without consent, and a large chunk of them have had data breaches. So your name-email-phone number combo is 100% already available in public data dumps.

not so long ago practically everyone's name and phone number was available publicly for free in any phone box

You could pretty easily opt out of that, at least in many places, although you might need to pay a small fee.

Re: Bruteforcing the phone number of any Google user

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It must be a daunting chore to maintain all the legacy pages. The amount of now-years-old stuff that long-standing sites have to maintain, or choose to maintain, is shockingly high, and testing the combination of all that stuff is impossible. If you want an example of how diverse in age these apps are, dig around in the Gmail settings panel. Eventually you will land on a popup that uses the original Gmail look and fe…

It must be a daunting chore to maintain all the legacy pages. The amount of now-years-old stuff that long-standing sites have to maintain, or choose to maintain, is shockingly high, and testing the combination of all that stuff is impossible. One company I worked for used interns and new hires for that. One of the early tasks assigned to the intern pool was to comb the web sites for outdated information, or things th…

On the other hand they had no idea if the information was valid or wildly outdated. But better something than nothing I guess. :-)

Re: Bruteforcing the phone number of any Google user

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> This time can also be significantly reduced through phone number hints from password reset flows in other services such as PayPal, which provide several more digits (ex. +14•••••1779) I've never thought about this but it's extra scary. If you have the same phone number and email address with enough services and they all mask in a different order for reset hints...

When I was at university, I went to a talk from a security researcher who found this was the case with credit cards.

Re: Bruteforcing the phone number of any Google user

#49
I did something similar way back when I was trying to find the phone number for a person, using Facebook.

When recovering a password Facebook would give you most of the digits of the phone number, so I wrote them down in a vcard file and imported it on my phone to just look at the pictures. It worked surprisingly good.

Re: Bruteforcing the phone number of any Google user

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post #8

> This time can also be significantly reduced through phone number hints from password reset flows in other services such as PayPal, which provide several more digits (ex. +14•••••1779) I've never thought about this but it's extra scary. If you have the same phone number and email address with enough services and they all mask in a different order for reset hints...

There's services that do this automatically for a price, and they've been around for a while, for e-mail, phone numbers, and much more. Any bits (literally, bits) of information given without authorization (or plausible belief it's the intended user on the other side) will be efficiently put together from a variety of sources, as there's no shortage of incentive, and many all over the world prodding services used by billions of people worldwide. And then eventually leaked..
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