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Hollywood Is Already Using AI (and Hiding It)

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Re: Hollywood Is Already Using AI (and Hiding It)

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Post by jjulius »

bredren wrote: post #14

This article seems to be three to six months past due. As in the insights are late. >One animator who asked to remain anonymous described a costume designer generating concept images with AI, then hiring an illustrator to redraw them — cleaning the fingerprints, so to speak. “They’ll functionally launder the AI-generated content through an artist,” the animator said. This seems obvious to me. I’ve drawn birthday card…

>... my reproduction is still an original...

I don't know how accurate that is.

Re: Hollywood Is Already Using AI (and Hiding It)

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Post by aerostable_slug »

throwaway743 wrote: post #28

Hiding it? Are they supposed to slap on a disclaimer? Feels like one could safely assume they've been using it. Anyways, AI generated media is gonna lead to hyper-personalized, on-demand, generated media for people to consume. Sure, hollywood will still be around, but once consumer computing power and the models catch up, there are gonna be a ton of people choosing their own worlds than the ones curated by an industr…

I think the really interesting part will be the illusion of choice presented by these systems. You'll think you've got the reins, but really it's a choose-your-own-adventure book that's effectively constraining you to the experience They want you to have.

The only way out of this will be HN types who roll their own, and those will probably suck in comparison to the commercial systems filled with product placement and mindblowing amounts of information harvesting.

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Post by brookst »

101008 wrote: post #9
simonw wrote: post #7

The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King back in 2003 used early AI VFX software MASSIVE to animate thousands of soldiers in battle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MASSIVE_(software) - I don't think that was controversial at the time. According to that Wikipedia page MASSIVE was used for Avengers: Endgame, so it's had about a 20 year run at this point.

The problem is not AI per se (which are only a mix of algorithms). The problem is that this new wave of AI is trained in propietary content, and the owners/creators didn't allow it in the first place. If this AI worked without training, no one would say anything.

> If this AI worked without training, no one would say anything.

I don’t believe that for one second.

People are rightfully scared of professional and economic disruption. OMG training is just a convenient bit of rhetoric to establish the moral high ground. If and when AIs appear that are entirely trained on public domain and synthetic data, there will be some other moral argument.

Re: Hollywood Is Already Using AI (and Hiding It)

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Post by SoftTalker »

brookst wrote: post #43
101008 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is not AI per se (which are only a mix of algorithms). The problem is that this new wave of AI is trained in propietary content, and the owners/creators didn't allow it in the first place. If this AI worked without training, no one would say anything.

> If this AI worked without training, no one would say anything. I don’t believe that for one second. People are rightfully scared of professional and economic disruption. OMG training is just a convenient bit of rhetoric to establish the moral high ground. If and when AIs appear that are entirely trained on public domain and synthetic data, there will be some other moral argument.

Yeah I'm not interested in "art" created by a computer. A watercolor by a first-grader is more interesting.

Same goes for music. If you need AI and autotune, find another way to earn a living.

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Post by jerrysievert »

leptons wrote: post #3

It's a race to the (AI-slop) bottom. But most of the inhabitants of the world will barely notice. I have to wonder if movies will improve or not with AI, because some really stupid franchises have seen stupid amounts of money, while most people barely watch the actually good creative stuff. We're already swamped with unwatchable schlock, but I'm not sure it will improve if we automate it. It's the same people spendin…

I use my instant pot to make risotto in 20 minutes with very little effort that is about 90% as good (in my very stubborn opinion) as making it the hard way. I very much appreciate an amazing risotto, but when I make it myself I'll usually choose the instant pot versus the extra work.

I feel Hollywood might be the same way.

Re: Hollywood Is Already Using AI (and Hiding It)

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Post by username223 »

ordinaryradical wrote: post #35
est31 wrote: post #27

Tech companies love to show off that they are using AI, how they are embracing it, etc. Among engineers, there is also a growing community of folks who embrace tools like Cursor, Chat GPT, Gemini, v0, etc. When it comes to artists, I have less insight but what I see is that they are extremely critical of it and don't like it at all. It's interesting to see that gap in reactions to AI between artists and tech companie…

I’m an artist and also work in tech. Enjoy using AI for work, no interest in using it for my art. Using AI for art is an idiotic proposition for me. If I was going to use AI to write my novel, I would literally be robbing myself of the pleasure of making it myself. If you don’t enjoy perfecting the sentence, maybe don’t be a writer? That’s why there’s a disconnect. I make art for personal fulfillment and the joy of t…

> If I was going to use AI to write my novel, I would literally be robbing myself of the pleasure of making it myself.

The same would be true if I were going to use AI to read it. If we just wanted to trade Clif Notes around, why bother with novels at all?

Cyber-Leo-Tolstoy types a three-page summary of "War and Peace" into ChatGPT and tells it to generate an 800-page novel. Millions of TikTok-addled students ask ChatGPT to summarize the 800-page novel into three pages (or a five-paragraph essay). What is the point of any of this?

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Post by bredren »

bobxmax wrote: post #25
bredren wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The action I see is happening in comfy-ui workflows. That software is progressing rapidly and adapts to whatever sota models are available. Heavy emphasis is on making cutting edge models work with limited local compute.

Do you know any resources for getting started with ComfyUI? Last time I looked into these tools ages ago it was a complex mess

I suggest starting with their tutorial with a decent LLM to help. The workflows can be represented in written syntax which you can export repeatedly, pasting into a chat for feedback from the LLM based on your goal.

For example, I wanted help setting up the use of a lora and batch iteration. The LLM can figure out where you've hooked things up incorrectly. The UI is funky and the terms and blocks require familiarity you won't have to start.

I think learning the basics of it this way would be useful because you'll get some positive feedback loop going before trying to make use of someone's shared, complex workflow.

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Post by dmarcos »

ordinaryradical wrote: post #35
est31 wrote: post #27

Tech companies love to show off that they are using AI, how they are embracing it, etc. Among engineers, there is also a growing community of folks who embrace tools like Cursor, Chat GPT, Gemini, v0, etc. When it comes to artists, I have less insight but what I see is that they are extremely critical of it and don't like it at all. It's interesting to see that gap in reactions to AI between artists and tech companie…

I’m an artist and also work in tech. Enjoy using AI for work, no interest in using it for my art. Using AI for art is an idiotic proposition for me. If I was going to use AI to write my novel, I would literally be robbing myself of the pleasure of making it myself. If you don’t enjoy perfecting the sentence, maybe don’t be a writer? That’s why there’s a disconnect. I make art for personal fulfillment and the joy of t…

AI will probably enable new workflows and forms of expressions. “Old” ways will still likely be around in some form. Photography didn’t kill portrait painting or movies theater.

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Post by bobxmax »

bredren wrote: post #47
bobxmax wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know any resources for getting started with ComfyUI? Last time I looked into these tools ages ago it was a complex mess

I suggest starting with their tutorial with a decent LLM to help. The workflows can be represented in written syntax which you can export repeatedly, pasting into a chat for feedback from the LLM based on your goal. For example, I wanted help setting up the use of a lora and batch iteration. The LLM can figure out where you've hooked things up incorrectly. The UI is funky and the terms and blocks require familiarity…

Thanks - I didn't think of using an LLM to debug the json, that's smart. I'll give it another shot.
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