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BorgBackup 2 has no server-side append-only anymore

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Re: BorgBackup 2 has no server-side append-only anymore

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Do something simpler. Backups shouldn’t be complex. This should be simpler still: https://github.com/nathants/backup

Is this a joke? I don't see what value this provides that rsync, tar and `aws s3 cp` (or AWS SDK equivalent) provides.

How do you version your rsync backups?

Re: BorgBackup 2 has no server-side append-only anymore

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Do something simpler. Backups shouldn’t be complex. This should be simpler still: https://github.com/nathants/backup

Uh, who has the money to store backups in AWS?!

Glacier Deep Archive is the cheapest cloud backup option at $1USD/month/TB.

Google Cloud Store Archive Tier is a tiny bit more.

Re: BorgBackup 2 has no server-side append-only anymore

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Uh, who has the money to store backups in AWS?!

Glacier Deep Archive is the cheapest cloud backup option at $1USD/month/TB. Google Cloud Store Archive Tier is a tiny bit more.

Both would be pretty expensive to actually restore from, though, IIRC.

Re: BorgBackup 2 has no server-side append-only anymore

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Do something simpler. Backups shouldn’t be complex. This should be simpler still: https://github.com/nathants/backup

Uh, who has the money to store backups in AWS?!

Support for S3 means you can just have minio server somewhere acting as backup storage (and minio is pretty easy to replicate). I have local S3 on my NAS replicated to cheapo OVH serwer for backup

Re: BorgBackup 2 has no server-side append-only anymore

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Borg vs Restic vs Kopia ? They are so similar in features. How do they compare? Which to choose?

Restic is the winner. It talks directly to many backends, is a static binary (so you can drop the executable in operating systems which don’t allow package installation like a NAS OS) and has a clean CLI. Kopia is a bit newer and less tested. All three have a lot of commands to work with repositories. Each one of them is much better than closed source proprietary backup software that I have dealt with, like Synology…

Kopia is VERY similar to Restic, main differences is Kopia getting half decent UI vs Restic being a bit more friendly for scripting

> If you want a better solution, the next level is ZFS.

Not a backup. Not a bad choice for storage for backup server tho

Re: BorgBackup 2 has no server-side append-only anymore

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, who has the money to store backups in AWS?!

Glacier Deep Archive is the cheapest cloud backup option at $1USD/month/TB. Google Cloud Store Archive Tier is a tiny bit more.

To quote the old mongodb video: If you don't care about restores, /dev/null is even cheaper, and its webscale.

Re: BorgBackup 2 has no server-side append-only anymore

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I am already using zfs on my NAS where I want my backups to be. But I didn't consider it for backups till now

You can consider something like syncthing to get the important files onto your NAS, and then use ZFS snapshots and replication via syncoid/sanoid to do the actual backing up.

Or install ZFS also on end devices, and do ZFS replication to NAS, which is what I do. I have ZFS on my laptop, snapshot data every 30 minutes, and replicate them. Those snapshots are very useful, as sometimes I accidentally delete data.

With ZFS, all file system is replicated. The backup will be consistent, which is not the case with file level backup. With latter, you have to also worry about lock files, permissions, etc. The restore will be more natural and quick with ZFS.

Re: BorgBackup 2 has no server-side append-only anymore

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Is that a big deal? You should probably be doing this with zfs immutable snapshots anyway. Or equivalent feature for your filesystem.

There's not much sense in using these advanced backup tools if you're already on ZFS, even if it's just on the backup server, I would stick with something simpler. Their whole point is in reliable checksums, incremental backups, deduplication, snapshotting on top of a 'simple' classical filesystem. Sounds familiar to any ZFS user?

well, till lightning fries your server. Or you fat finger command and fuck something up.
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