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Curtis Yarvin's Plot Against America

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Re: Curtis Yarvin's Plot Against America

#41

The society of Snow Crash is a dystopia, not something we should want to implement.

It's more The Diamond Age than Snow Crash. The "Patchwork" of Yarvin and Land maps pretty neatly to Stephenson's Clades -- micronations as voluntary societies.

TBH Diamond Age seems pretty cool, other than the Fists

I think/hope we will see something similar to voluntary societies in the future. Nation states are too heterogenous to row in the same direction. Stronger ethics are needed

Re: Curtis Yarvin's Plot Against America

#42
post #10

Why are big media outlets suddenly sharing this guys ideas?

My philosophical excursions eventually led me to his writings, but I never found what I read to be inspiring or substantial. Pretty much like Ayn Rand in that respect.

Like a precocious undergrad who just discovered set theory and thinks he’s king of the… uhh sovereign corporation?

Lots of literary references though. Borges, of course gave him Urbit/Tlon[0], and wrote some racially spicy stuff in his day. Pretty sure Nock is a reference to a controversial libertarian thinker[1]. I bet you could find more anti-Semitic, pro-slavery and anti-democratic Easter eggs if you looked.

Clearly though, in person he managed to rub elbows with some pretty influential people… also like Ms Rand.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Luis_Borges

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nock

Re: Curtis Yarvin's Plot Against America

#43
From a 2014 email from Yarvin to Thiel: “One of our hidden advantages is that these people wouldn’t believe in a conspiracy if it hit them over the head (this is perhaps the best measure of the decline of the Left).”

On that, he's not wrong!

Re: Curtis Yarvin's Plot Against America

#44
post #32

I mentioned this previously, but I frequently think back to Gibson's "Jackpot" -- a cross-lashed, polycausal catastrophe: Lots of bad little things accumulating, building up a certain momentum. I think that even as far back as 2009, an astute observer would have noticed that society is beginning to burn through its seed corn. In some places, things are now getting extremely acute: https://www.neilobrien.co.uk/p/the-c…

> He's foppish and playful more than he is scary. This is a very unwise stance to take. Peter Thiel has teamed up with the Heritage Foundation to implement this plan. This is why A16Z and Musk put Trump in power, it is precisely to implement this plan.

Musk is on the outs. And what if there is no grand conspiracy?

We're extremely far from any of Yarvin's "plans" at any rate. Yarvin's most cherished plan was to create a shadow university called the "Antiversity" -- a sort of repository of all truths unbeholden to politics and fads. Is this a bad idea? Which other Yarvin ideas scare you so?

Re: Curtis Yarvin's Plot Against America

#45
post #25

I mentioned this previously, but I frequently think back to Gibson's "Jackpot" -- a cross-lashed, polycausal catastrophe: Lots of bad little things accumulating, building up a certain momentum. I think that even as far back as 2009, an astute observer would have noticed that society is beginning to burn through its seed corn. In some places, things are now getting extremely acute: https://www.neilobrien.co.uk/p/the-c…

> society is beginning to burn through its seed corn This is mostly true in the US, where a defining characteristic of the population is a belief that we cannot do better or have more, that things will always continue to get worse, and that everyone is out to take advantage of you all the time. Other countries continue to invest in the future. China, among others, do not suffer the current American fatalism.

China's population is purportedly set to halve by 2100. They're well on their way to a massive population shock if they don't thread the needle carefully.

There's also been lots of stories about bank closures and Chinese citizens losing their money.

Additionally, China, like the US and many other world powers, is a totalitarian authoritarian government which is hostile towards its people. Whether China has high-speed monorails or not, they continue to slide backwards as a country into the dark ages, increasingly relying on invasive, pervasive surveillance as a tool of short-term stability, just like the US.

Re: Curtis Yarvin's Plot Against America

#46

The society of Snow Crash is a dystopia, not something we should want to implement.

Especially that whole ‘listening to reason’ thing .. Well. I dunno, actually. In some ways, I do want The Feed. But in other ways, I definitely don’t want Drummers. Okay, some aspects of Drummers.

The Feed would be cool, the Primer would be fantastic, and a lot of the voluntary societies would be awesome. Diamond age is the most compelling vision for the future of recent popular sci-fi that I've found

Re: Curtis Yarvin's Plot Against America

#47
post #5

Scott Alexander also recently had a take on Curtis Yarvin’s recent actions: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/moldbug-sold-out The gist of it is that he had interesting ideas on political systems in the past, but that his current ideas are nonsense, and in fact his old work explains exactly why his new work is nonsense.

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The last decade has hammered in that you ignore the cranks at your own peril, because closing your eyes doesn't make them disappear.

Re: Curtis Yarvin's Plot Against America

#48
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He's foppish and playful more than he is scary. This is a very unwise stance to take. Peter Thiel has teamed up with the Heritage Foundation to implement this plan. This is why A16Z and Musk put Trump in power, it is precisely to implement this plan.

Musk is on the outs. And what if there is no grand conspiracy? We're extremely far from any of Yarvin's "plans" at any rate. Yarvin's most cherished plan was to create a shadow university called the "Antiversity" -- a sort of repository of all truths unbeholden to politics and fads. Is this a bad idea? Which other Yarvin ideas scare you so?

Yarvin's ideas of "truths" are in the realm of phrenology and race science

Re: Curtis Yarvin's Plot Against America

#49
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He's foppish and playful more than he is scary. This is a very unwise stance to take. Peter Thiel has teamed up with the Heritage Foundation to implement this plan. This is why A16Z and Musk put Trump in power, it is precisely to implement this plan.

Musk is on the outs. And what if there is no grand conspiracy? We're extremely far from any of Yarvin's "plans" at any rate. Yarvin's most cherished plan was to create a shadow university called the "Antiversity" -- a sort of repository of all truths unbeholden to politics and fads. Is this a bad idea? Which other Yarvin ideas scare you so?

Just because Musk is done firing government employees and is engaged in a little punch-and-judy show of conflict with the Trump administration does not mean he is "on the outs"

Re: Curtis Yarvin's Plot Against America

#50
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He's foppish and playful more than he is scary. This is a very unwise stance to take. Peter Thiel has teamed up with the Heritage Foundation to implement this plan. This is why A16Z and Musk put Trump in power, it is precisely to implement this plan.

Musk is on the outs. And what if there is no grand conspiracy? We're extremely far from any of Yarvin's "plans" at any rate. Yarvin's most cherished plan was to create a shadow university called the "Antiversity" -- a sort of repository of all truths unbeholden to politics and fads. Is this a bad idea? Which other Yarvin ideas scare you so?

> And what if there is no grand conspiracy?

What if, indeed... and what if they even publicly announced their conspiracy and outlined their exact plans in full?

Direct texts:

https://static.heritage.org/project2025/2025_MandateForLeade...

https://www.project2025.org/playbook/

Summaries:

https://www.aclu.org/project-2025-explained

https://democracyforward.org/the-peoples-guide-to-project-20...

Implementation tracker:

https://www.project2025.observer/

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