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KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by Firehawke »

the__alchemist wrote: post #18
alyandon wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's about having a fully supported Windows 11 install vs bypassing the CPU and TPM check the installer does.

Is there a practical difference? I.e, what does fully supported mean? For context, I had assumed an older laptop was unable to upgrade until I tried it, then did some research. Wondering if I missed something subtle.

It means that Microsoft won't suddenly disable your Windows 11 install's ability to update. Microsoft has already, on at least one occasion, disabled further updates for computers that don't meet their specified requirements in regards to processor and TPM.

A lot of the users of 10 we're talking about wouldn't know how to get Windows 11 working again after updates were stripped again.

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by 0xAFFFF »

neepi wrote: post #29

Tried this with my mother. I had to rebuild the machine with Windows 11 LTSC afterwards. Which she hates but less than Linux which was totally unusable for her. YMMV but this isn't a real option for a lot of people.

I've been pondering switching to Linux for my mother in-law that has a pretty limited use of her computer (online groceries, emails mostly) and their page is pretty unconvincing in that case. I mean yeah OK, you guys have extensive customization, virtual desktops and all the bells and whistles that appeal to power users, but is it easy to put it in the hands of someone else without having to do customer support all year long?

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by kalaksi »

I now run KDE on Fedora after I got fed up with snaps and bugs in Ubuntu 24.04.

For linux newbies, I'd actually suggest checking out Linux Mint with Cinnamon desktop. I used to run Mint a long time ago and recently installed it for someone trying to change from Windows. it was nice to see that they still provide a good, preconfigured UX. And no snaps. It's probably simpler than KDE but not too simple.

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by carlosjobim »

Pet_Ant wrote: post #2

It's not relevant now, but back when I started using Linux (Red Hat 7.1 I think) what made me choose KDE was that with KDE all the apps had a conspicuous 'K' in their names whereas Gnome app did not, so it was easier to get a consistent user experience. After that it was Konqueror with the different protocols like "wk:" in the address bar to search Wikipedia. Then when I learned more, it just seemed like Qt was a muc…

The desktop is only irrelevant on FOSS platforms such as Linux, because the native software is so incredibly bad. If you want the best software, it's in native apps, usually on MacOS.

A modern classic absurdity: Linux enthusiasts who purchase MacBooks and use them to do all their computing in shitty web apps.

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by hulitu »

skydhash wrote: post #17
freeone3000 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is, in fact, the point. They do not want the support burden and negative security posture of supporting billions of computers that cannot have a locked bootloader.

Negative security?

> Negative security?

If you employ snake oil like Crowdstrike or "secure boot" (when the key stays on MS servers).

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by blyry »

TYPE_FASTER wrote: post #38
blyry wrote: post #27

Plasma on Ubuntu is the what windows 7 could've been. It's been my daily for a couple years now, with jetbrains tooling and vscode. The only reason I boot back into windows is if I have to work on a .net framework app with visual studio. And Ubuntu is even explicitly supported by dell and Lenovo? It's a no brainer tbh. I'm lucky that my corporate IT is cool with it: I showed them how it supports drive encryption, can…

I've been pleasantly surprised at how far I can go using Rider to do .NET development on a Mac. I was able to do pretty much everything, including running SQL Server in a container.

Yeah dude! Did you see linqpad is supported on osx now? I used a Mac for a couple years, last gen Intel, when I was doing mostly node work, but I never really got used to it. One of my coworkers though has been doing full-time .net on a Mac with jetbrains for probably about 2 years now and he said he's just as productive as before at this point.

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by neepi »

0xAFFFF wrote: post #42
neepi wrote: post #29

Tried this with my mother. I had to rebuild the machine with Windows 11 LTSC afterwards. Which she hates but less than Linux which was totally unusable for her. YMMV but this isn't a real option for a lot of people.

I've been pondering switching to Linux for my mother in-law that has a pretty limited use of her computer (online groceries, emails mostly) and their page is pretty unconvincing in that case. I mean yeah OK, you guys have extensive customization, virtual desktops and all the bells and whistles that appeal to power users, but is it easy to put it in the hands of someone else without having to do customer support all y…

No - support was the problem. I was spending an hour a night helping her through things. It's not just "stupid users can work it out" situation. It's like moving to another country. And there isn't a lot of information out there to solve a lot of problems. And it's even worse trying to do phone support with someone who doesn't understand what they are looking at because it has all changed.

One cost me a 100 mile round trip to turn airplane mode off after I assume she'd accidentally whacked the mouse wheel button on the icon instead of the browser which for some completely unknown reason does that?!?!?!?! I'm not sure that was even what she did but I spent ages trying to work out how she could have even done that in the first place.

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by rhabarba »

4ad wrote: post #25
rhabarba wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When KDE started, it was strongly influenced by CDE. It became more Windows-y with every major(ish) version, while Windows did not get any (relevant) inspiration from CDE.

Indeed, KDE is like Windows, which is sad, because I don't like the desktop metaphor, yet KDE is the only group that is concerned with usability and improves the system with every release. I actually don't mind the GNOME metaphor... but they make it less and less usable over each release. Philosophically, what they are talking about sounds great, but pragmatically the system is just getting less and less usable. UX c…

Window Maker is still one of the most bearable desktops, even "with Wayland". I don't care about "integration", it is a desktop, not an office suite.

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by larrled »

the__alchemist wrote: post #18
alyandon wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's about having a fully supported Windows 11 install vs bypassing the CPU and TPM check the installer does.

Is there a practical difference? I.e, what does fully supported mean? For context, I had assumed an older laptop was unable to upgrade until I tried it, then did some research. Wondering if I missed something subtle.

If there is no tpm then it’s not secure I assume is what is meant by not “fully supported.” You can do it, but it’s on you if you get bootkitty.
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