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Doge cuts to USAid blamed for 300k deaths – most of them children

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>The numbers are not recorded deaths, but rather predictions. “They’re modelled numbers and I recognise the limitations that that comes with,” she said. “We don’t have routine data sets that we can measure someone as ‘killed by the US lack of funding’.” Why are journos so dishonest?

I don't think they are dishonest, I think that they have a worldview that is influenced by their friends and family and community, and they are not going to go against that. Trying to keep that out of their reporting can be really difficult, given this highly politicized environment that we are living in, and some may allow that to stray into acts of dishonesty.

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Doge was a bad idea done poorly. It served no purpose other than to hurt people and win some headlines. We will be feeling the consequences for years to come.

Wasn't the purpose to allow foreign influence to get access to governmental systems and data?

Don't forget about gutting departments that had open investigations into SpaceX and Tesla.

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Doge was a bad idea done poorly. It served no purpose other than to hurt people and win some headlines. We will be feeling the consequences for years to come.

Wasn't the purpose to allow foreign influence to get access to governmental systems and data?

That’s part of it, but that’s a pretty bad idea, no?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn't the purpose to allow foreign influence to get access to governmental systems and data?

That’s part of it, but that’s a pretty bad idea, no?

Depends on your perspective - bad for the U.S. people, but good for their enemies.

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First to get this out of the way, I do not support the destruction of USAID and I definitely do not support the death of 300,000 people. This study brings to light a hidden problem of countries and individuals dependent on foreign aid. There should’ve been plans in place to reduce foreign aid dependency over time. Yes provide aid as needed & appropriate, but work out what it’ll take for the country to not need it and…

Respectfully, yes there is! Foreign aid is not a thing governments dole out due to the kindness of their hearts. More often than not its purpose is to curry military, economic or political favor with the recipient country. More often than not a lot of it is skimmed off the top once it arrives. The US loves to buy allies - reciprocity may come in the form of the country in question agreeing to a military base, or a tr…

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Re: Doge cuts to USAid blamed for 300k deaths – most of them children

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First to get this out of the way, I do not support the destruction of USAID and I definitely do not support the death of 300,000 people. This study brings to light a hidden problem of countries and individuals dependent on foreign aid. There should’ve been plans in place to reduce foreign aid dependency over time. Yes provide aid as needed & appropriate, but work out what it’ll take for the country to not need it and…

As conspiratorial as this sounds, alot of successfull non-profit organisations have a vested interest in becoming a critical part of their infrastructure so that funding cuts would be a humanitarian disaster in of itself which neccecitates the continuation of the organisation. Foreign aid has always been a double edged sword when it comes to self-reliance and lasting change

The Shirky principle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Shirky#Shirky_principle

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First to get this out of the way, I do not support the destruction of USAID and I definitely do not support the death of 300,000 people. This study brings to light a hidden problem of countries and individuals dependent on foreign aid. There should’ve been plans in place to reduce foreign aid dependency over time. Yes provide aid as needed & appropriate, but work out what it’ll take for the country to not need it and…

> Is there something I don’t know? Yes. Software power. We are talking about the TANSTAAFL land. All those countries are full of corporations sending profits without paying fair royalties or taxes, which are paid back in the US.

/s/software/soft

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First to get this out of the way, I do not support the destruction of USAID and I definitely do not support the death of 300,000 people. This study brings to light a hidden problem of countries and individuals dependent on foreign aid. There should’ve been plans in place to reduce foreign aid dependency over time. Yes provide aid as needed & appropriate, but work out what it’ll take for the country to not need it and…

Rather than dismantling USAID it should have been reformed. The U.S. should have a single point of foreign aid, but that aid should be highly structured, audited, and at least a few legal constraints that cannot be adjusted or reinterpreted by future generations.

I agree, at this point it does seem like there was enormous fraud at USAID and some very bad behavior. I can only deduce that the reason why it stayed hidden for so long was that, politically, if not economically, everyone with something to lose was benefiting.

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First to get this out of the way, I do not support the destruction of USAID and I definitely do not support the death of 300,000 people. This study brings to light a hidden problem of countries and individuals dependent on foreign aid. There should’ve been plans in place to reduce foreign aid dependency over time. Yes provide aid as needed & appropriate, but work out what it’ll take for the country to not need it and…

work out what it’ll take for the country to not need it and try to get there

I moved to Africa to get a better understanding of this and related questions. What is the actual situation of developing countries? What does it take to make things better? What can I do as an individual with no resources other than the income I get from work?

I am still at the beginning. I have only been here for two years. What I have learned so far is very limited but my observations so far suggest that:

The exploitation of natural resources (oil, gold, minerals, etc) need to be done in a way that the money flows back into the countries. The countries then can/should invest that money into the improvement of local infrastructure (health care, better roads, trains, water, electricity where it is still missing...)

Education needs to be done in a way that doesn't disrupt local culture. Currently schools are based on colonial models, and I don't feel they are a good fit. Children are forced to live away from home in boarding schools and get a western style education that ignores or changes their culture. Poor families can't send their children to school because they live off their farm and can't even get the money to pay for the school uniform or the materials.

On the other hand, just giving them those things creates exactly that dependency that we don't want. What is needed is an education system that remote villages and nomadic tribes can implement on their own without being forced to send their children away and change their lifestyle just to be able to afford the costs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUNDAEC is a potential example of how that could look like.

What can I do as an individual? I am still figuring that out. My approach is to try to hire local junior developers to work on my projects. I am not paying them a western salary. That may sound unfair and exploitative, but with the average income being so low, western salaries would only create a few rich people and depend on trickle-down-economics to make that money work. I feel that instead giving multiple people a decent local salary would accomplish more. On top of that, a single local salary can be funded easily from anyone working in IT in developed countries. You don't need to run a business to be able to do that. Besides that I am also trying to sponsor a few children to help them pay for school. This is not a big project. The families are friends I made along the way, and it's more of a boost for a few kids down on their luck. Kids who lost one parent or both and are living with relatives who are struggling to feed their own kids.

There is a lot that I am still missing. And I don't even know if the things I am doing so far are right or effective. Only time will tell.

Btw, I am looking for work. If you want to support my efforts, please reach out.

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First to get this out of the way, I do not support the destruction of USAID and I definitely do not support the death of 300,000 people. This study brings to light a hidden problem of countries and individuals dependent on foreign aid. There should’ve been plans in place to reduce foreign aid dependency over time. Yes provide aid as needed & appropriate, but work out what it’ll take for the country to not need it and…

> but work out what it’ll take for the country to not need it and try to get there.. One moment. You are just asking to increase the program that will take generations, while being dependent on factors you don't influence. Many African countries are overrun by Russian wagnerites, who protect local war lords and take control of natural resources. Part of the program is to ensure ongoing chaos and prevent local develop…

Although I think your general position is by and large correct, it would test the limits of credulity to think that previous US administrations did not use USAID to extract concessions from African countries for decades prior. The case can be made that it is the better of three evils perhaps, but how far one can argue past that is a more difficult proposition. And one also needs to explain why Russia, who prefers making deals with a single person on the other side (ie a dictator) in the rest of world, would rather deal with a bunch of warring warlords when it comes to Africa.
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