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He has powered his house for 8 years using laptop batteries

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Re: He has powered his house for 8 years using laptop batteries

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If the batteries catch fire the acrylic bottom will melt and automatically dump the sand onto the fire. This is a questionable setup though. You'd need massive amounts of sand dumped evenly, which requires more design and verification. Acrylic is also itself flammable. A basic water based fire suppressor would not extinguish a battery fire but it will cool it and the room, limiting spread. Let the experts design this…

Do not use water to try and put out a battery fire. It's not as bad as throwing water on burning oil, but it's not far from it.

Battery fire suppression systems often use water, and firefighters will also certainly apply water. Just don't walk up to the cell with a bucket of water.

Water can and is used to cool batteries during battery fires, and more importantly, to cool the surroundings so that the fire cannot spread to, say, neighboring banks/cells or construction materials. Modern EV fire suppression systems for parking garages use high-pressure water mists to avoid the fire spreading to neighboring vehicles for example.

The recommendation about oil and water focuses on a larger container of liquid fuel that is on fire at the surface and heated far past the boiling point of water, such that dumping a large volume of water onto it all at once causes it to immediately boil and explode, spreading large amounts of oil as a mist in the air, which both spreads the fire and causes a much more violent combustion. A water-based fire suppression system (not a guy with a bucket of water), or a firefighter with a water hose, can absolutely extinguish such a fire.

Hacking together a sand container of acrylic may well do nothing to limit the fire while simultanously giving it more fuel (acrylic) and pathways to spread to (whatever the acrylic is near).

The point is: Don't hack together a fire suppression system, leave that to an expert please.

Re: He has powered his house for 8 years using laptop batteries

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Looks like awful lot of work to create such battery packs. I guess next step is to automate general assembly and dissasembly of battery packs via some smart AI robotics.

It's not that much work, you just need an arc welder. If you're experienced, it only takes a minute.

Re: He has powered his house for 8 years using laptop batteries

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If the batteries catch fire the acrylic bottom will melt and automatically dump the sand onto the fire. This is a questionable setup though. You'd need massive amounts of sand dumped evenly, which requires more design and verification. Acrylic is also itself flammable. A basic water based fire suppressor would not extinguish a battery fire but it will cool it and the room, limiting spread. Let the experts design this…

> A basic water based fire suppressor would not extinguish a battery fire but it will cool it and the room, limiting spread. That's the thing: it will not, quite the contrary - unless it's many tons of water at once that quench the fire, the burning lithium will just go and create hydrogen gas that in turn recombines and leads to an even larger fire.

I think you're confusing suppresing the fire and extinguishing it. You are not trying to stop battery cells that are currently on fire from burning - you will just have to wait for those to be out of fuel. The purpose of fire suppression is to stop new things from heating up by the fire past the point of combustion, catching fire and thereby spreading it - be it more battery cells, construction materials, you name it.

Modern EV fire suppression systems for parking garages use high pressure water mists to contain the fire to a single vechicle for example. This keeps neighboring cars cool and avoids them catching fire, and cooling down the burning vehicle may avoid spread to more battery banks or other flammable materials.

Re: He has powered his house for 8 years using laptop batteries

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Actually thinking about it - why not have everything encased in sand all the time, you'd just have to be a kid playing in a sandbox when doing maintenance

Because sand everywhere is kind of annoying? And dangerous for any moving parts?

Very few moving parts in most batteries.

Re: He has powered his house for 8 years using laptop batteries

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He did and end run around saftey, and just put the whole system in a shed, which in any real emergency situation , dramaticaly reduces risk to life and property. Also each battery bank is.air gapped , which will significantly reduce any fire from spreading to adjacent banks. The system looks well made, and has 8 years up time. I live off grid and am useing lead acid batteries, but would like to switch to sodium.

Edit, digging in, each single cell is fused, very nice work, and exceptionaly safe to run. As good as anything built, anywhere. https://secondlifestorage.com/index.php?threads/glubuxs-powe...

That is an astounding claim, and requires astounding proof.

Re: He has powered his house for 8 years using laptop batteries

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I've been thinking about similar setups with lots of batteries as I have excess energy I can generate during the day and a lot of otherwise barely usable space in my attic. Fire hazard is my major concern. How do you make sure old (or even new) batteries don't do their usual thing, especially if they are in an environment with unstable temperatures and scarce monitoring?

> unstable temperatures and scarce monitoring

You've described the worst possible place to locate them.

Re: He has powered his house for 8 years using laptop batteries

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This is AI slop, unworthy of anyones time. If the author reads this: please just supply us with the prompt next time. We'll fill in the "lets dive into"s ourselves.

Read like breathless hype to me; AI makes sense. I just figured the author was fanboying too hard.

Re: He has powered his house for 8 years using laptop batteries

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Because sand everywhere is kind of annoying? And dangerous for any moving parts?

Very few moving parts in most batteries.

But batteries are often close to machines in need of energy. And even walking with sandy hands to the sink to wash then, will spread sand. Also some batteries have active cooling.

But a home installation might be done in a way that it is managable though.

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