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Britain's police are restricting speech in worrying ways

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Britain has a problem. But so does America. Quite a few people (non citizens so far), have been arrested for criticising the actions of the current Israeli government.

Strictly speaking most have been arrested on immigration-related charges but been targeted for prosecution due to criticizing israel. This is bad and a large step in the wrong direction but it's markedly less bad than the "hate speech" laws of Britain and many european countries.

The laws may be different but the result is identical. JD Vance should look at the bible he likes to tout. "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"

Re: Britain's police are restricting speech in worrying ways

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post #16

I used to think I lived in a democracy, but the last couple of years pulled back the curtain revealing the true nature of western democracy

I'm not so sure if putting down a vote for one candidate over many others every few years suffices as democracy though to begin with. [0]

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf7ws2DF-zk

Re: Britain's police are restricting speech in worrying ways

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Whatsapp messages? It's pretty crucial to find out how these ended up with the police. Did these people send Whatsapp messages to someone who didn't like the messages and this person then went to the police? In that case, it's back to the article and lack of definition within these laws. If, however, the police got the whatsapp messages via some kind of mass-surveillance programme, then we have a big problem...

WhatsApp claims to be end to end encrypted, if the police could crack that encryption we'd all be in trouble, and meta employees extremely bad at their jobs! Most likely your first guess is correct. Encryption means nothing when you have one of the unencrypted ends of the pipe.

Re: Britain's police are restricting speech in worrying ways

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Britain has a problem. But so does America. Quite a few people (non citizens so far), have been arrested for criticising the actions of the current Israeli government.

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Nope they are being jailed in the USA for weeks or months.

Re: Britain's police are restricting speech in worrying ways

#46

Britain has a problem. But so does America. Quite a few people (non citizens so far), have been arrested for criticising the actions of the current Israeli government.

I think we need to be more specific: not criticizing Israel per se, only criminal actions of the current government.

True.

Re: Britain's police are restricting speech in worrying ways

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The British police don't look to discriminate in their application of the law. If the British-right feel more entitled to free speech, then they will naturally perceive the brunt of the law directed at them.

It reads as legitimately insane that someone is saying in a critical way someone "feels more entitled to free speech" as a justification. I think this is just a basic values disagreement and wouldn't care to live in a country where people who don't believe in that freedom can vote or hold political weight.

Re: Britain's police are restricting speech in worrying ways

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> The couple’s alleged crime? Disparaging emails and WhatsApp messages about their daughter’s primary school.

Well, what is the content of those e-mails?

Dear The Economist, your story is not worth the paper it isn't printed on without the goddamned specifics.

The content of those communications could well be reasonably actionable by police. Of course, those who were paid a visit by police will claim that they made nothing but some disparaging remarks.

It is an extraordinary claim that a school called the police over mere disparaging remarks, and that the police subsequently arrested someone on specific charges. Extraordinary claims require backing evidence.

A BBC story says that: "Maxie Allen and his partner Rosalind Levine, from Borehamwood, told The Times they were held for 11 hours on suspicion of harassment, malicious communications, and causing a nuisance on school property." It's possible that the school simply distorted the facts to bring about an arrest, dragging the police into it.

That same county's own PCC (Police and Crime Commissioner) made these decent statements:

"There has clearly been a fundamental breakdown in relationships between a school and parents that shouldn't have become a police matter."

and

"While people should be courteous and go through the proper channels when raising concerns about a public service, the public should be able to express their views without worrying they'll get a knock at the door from the police."

So The Economist simply made up this stuff about someone arrested over "disparaging remarks". There were allegations of harrassment and causing a nuisance. Maybe the police went a bit overboard, but they can't just ignore such allegations either. That's why the prank known as swatting works.

> Another man criticised pro-Palestine protesters, tweeting: “One step away from storming Heathrow looking for Jewish arrivals.

That sounds like a legitimate target for investigation by police; it can be reasonably interpreted as a threat to carry out some action. If that individual did storm Heathrow and cause a violent incident, and it came to light that the police had known about his plan from an online posting, they would face heat.

Nothing here but rage clickbait.

Re: Britain's police are restricting speech in worrying ways

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post #16

I used to think I lived in a democracy, but the last couple of years pulled back the curtain revealing the true nature of western democracy

I'm not so sure if putting down a vote for one candidate over many others every few years suffices as democracy though to begin with. [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf7ws2DF-zk

When the candidate choices are almost completely plugged in for you, there is no meaningful choice either.

Re: Britain's police are restricting speech in worrying ways

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Britain has a problem. But so does America. Quite a few people (non citizens so far), have been arrested for criticising the actions of the current Israeli government.

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