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Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by zanellato19 »

colesantiago wrote: post #6
Animats wrote: post #3

The ad for Flow would be much better if they laid off the swirly and wavy effects, and focused on realism. Soon, you should be able to put in a screenplay and a cast, and get a movie out. Then, "Google Sequels" - generates a sequel for any movie.

Definately plausible. All this is in line with my prediction for the first entirely AI generated film (with Sora or other AI video tools) to win an Oscar being less than 5 years away. And we're only 5 months in. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42368951

I would believe that an AI generated film will never win an Oscar.

I bet they will soon add rules that AI movies can't even compete on it.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by nine_k »

inerte wrote: post #33
harikb wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't have to be as good as the best film production team - they just need to be better than the average/B-grade ones to gain adoption. With the media & entertainment hungry world which is about to get worse with the unempoyed/underemployed tiktok generation needing "content", something like this has to have a play.

Or replace cutscenes in video games, or short videos on ads on mobile (already small and people are barely paying attention) Nowadays when I randomly open a news website to read some article, at the bottom of the page all the generic "hack to lose your belly" or "doctors recommend weird japanese device" or "how seniors can fly business class", I've been noticing lately 1/3rd of the images seem to be AI generated...

Warning: browsing the Web without an ad blocker is hazardous to your mental health. If you regularly see ads permeating most web pages, and don't know how to avoid that, you may need to see a specialist.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

jsheard wrote: post #39
com2kid wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hollywood's wet dream. Except it bankrupts Hollywood, they are no longer needed. Of people can generate full movies at home, there is no more Hollywood. The end game is endless ultra personalized content beamed into people's heads every free waking hour of the day. Hollywood is irrelevant in that future.

> Of people can generate full movies at home, there is no more Hollywood. LLMs have been in the oven for years longer than this, and I'm not seeing any signs of people generating their own novels at home. Well, besides the get-rich-quick grifters spamming the Kindle store with incoherent slop in the hopes they can trick someone into parting with a dollar before they realize they've been had.

> I'm not seeing any signs of people generating their own novels at home

Most humans are also not good at writing great scripts/novels either. Just look at the movies that bring in billions of dollars at the box office. Do you think you need a famous novelist to write you a Fast & Furious 11 script?

Sure, there are still great writers that can make scripts that tickle the mind, but that's not what the studios want anymore. They want to push VFX heavy rehashed slop that's cheap to make, easy to digest for the doom-scrolling masses of consumers, and rakes in a lot of money.

You're talking about what makes gourmet Michelin star food but the industry is making money selling McDonals.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by airstrike »

On a technical level, this is a great achievement.

On a more societal level, I'm not sure continuously diminishing costs for producing AI slop is a net benefit to humanity.

I think this whole thing parallels some of the social media pros and cons. We gained the chance to reconnect with long lost friends—from whom we probably drifted apart for real reasons, consciously or not—at the cost of letting the general level of discourse to tank to its current state thanks to engagement-maximizing algorithms.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by debugnik »

phh wrote: post #5

Of course they had to name a film making proprietary tool with the name of an award winning film made using open-source tools released less than a year ago...

I still remember a style transfer paper which proudly mimicked a popular artist who had passed away barely a few years before (Qinni). Many AI researchers seemingly want to wear the skins of the people they rip off.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by quesera »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #9
Animats wrote: post #3

The ad for Flow would be much better if they laid off the swirly and wavy effects, and focused on realism. Soon, you should be able to put in a screenplay and a cast, and get a movie out. Then, "Google Sequels" - generates a sequel for any movie.

>Soon, you should be able to put in a screenplay and a cast, and get a movie out. This "fixes" Hollywood's biggest "issues". No more highly paid actors demanding 50 million to appear in your movie, no more pretentious movie stars causing dramas and controversies, no more workers' unions or strikes, but all gains being funneled directly to shareholders. The VFX industry being turned into a gig meatgrinder was already…

Actors will license their appearance, voice, and mannerisms to these new media projects. (Maybe by established Hollywood studios, maybe not).

Then the first fully non-human (but human-like) actors will be created and gain popularity. The IP of those characters will be more valuable than the humans they replaced. They will be derided by old people as "Mickey Mouse" AI actors. The SAG will be beside themselves. Younger people will not care. The characters will never get old (or they will be perfectly rendered when they need to be old).

The off-screen dramas and controversies are part of the entertainment, and these will be manufactured too. (If there will even be an off-screen...)

This is the future, and we've been preparing for it for years by presenting the most fake versions of ourselves on social media. Viewers have zero expectation of authenticity, so biological status is just one more detail.

It will be perfect, and it will be awful. Kids born five years from now will never know anything different.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by jader201 »

I'm surprised no one has yet to mention the use of the name "Flow", which is also the title of the 2025 Oscar winning animated movie, built using Blender. [1]

This naming seems very confusing, as I originally thought there must be some connection. But I don't think there is.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43237273

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by zombiwoof »

zanellato19 wrote: post #41
colesantiago wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definately plausible. All this is in line with my prediction for the first entirely AI generated film (with Sora or other AI video tools) to win an Oscar being less than 5 years away. And we're only 5 months in. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42368951

I would believe that an AI generated film will never win an Oscar. I bet they will soon add rules that AI movies can't even compete on it.

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