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LLMs are more persuasive than incentivized human persuaders

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Re: LLMs are more persuasive than incentivized human persuaders

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Sorry - I misread the LLM answer - actually the LLM produced a correct answer here

No it is not: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFO_%28computing_and_electron...

But a stack is commonly LIFO, not FIFO?!

Re: LLMs are more persuasive than incentivized human persuaders

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Yikes:( I am so worried about the damage that will be caused by the misuse of these tools. Already a lot of young folks will just mindlessly trust whatever the magic oracle spits out at them. We need to go back to testing people with pen and paper I suppose.

I read this and I see a common thinking fallacy, when someone is inclined to believe something a priori they fit the evidence to their a priori beliefs.

No, its fairly simple - I misread

Re: LLMs are more persuasive than incentivized human persuaders

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We're fast approaching the point that any value someone can provide through a digital interface could be better done by a model. What do we use digital interfaces for? Practically everything. Oh well not being a plumber, electrician, or farmer... but our society's current productivity, technology, automation reduced our need for 80% of the population needing to be farmers to now 1.3% in the US. Can you imagine what t…

Yes when the knowledge jobs are all done best by AI the rest will follow shortly. we will need to adapt to being "useless" as far as work goes and find other sources of worth. There's still a lot of people who want to compare it to Bitcoin hype around here, IMO the next few years everything is going to change way faster than than it ever has. For the record I always thought Kurzweil and that crowd was clowns, now I t…

A challenge for people who think this way: be first in line to have a robot change your six-month-old daughter's nappy.

Re: LLMs are more persuasive than incentivized human persuaders

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My guess for the reason behind this is that LLMs have more facts memorized, and thus can make more reasonable and well-researched sounding answers. If you ask an LLM vs a Human "Is a stack in computer science a) a data structure that is first in first out or b) a data structure that is first in last out" the LLM can say stuff resembling "Based on Dijkstra's algorithm proof given in 1943 and the nature of Turing compl…

I asked an LLM and it said "A stack is a data structure that follows the Last In, First Out (LIFO) principle. This means that the last element added to the stack is the first element to be removed."

It’s subtle but I would regard this as an incorrect answer.

The structure of the LLM answer is:

A is B; B exhibits property C.

The correct answer is:

A exhibits property C; B is the class of things with property C; therefore A is B.

There is a crucial difference between these two.

Re: LLMs are more persuasive than incentivized human persuaders

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Sam Altman must be literally vibrating at the thoughts of tacking on ads at the end of a "persuasive" interaction about whatever. "... and remember to try new Oreo-flavored Pringles and tell them Gippity sent you with this 20% off code, because we are best friends and we can trust each other!"

I'm not worried about blatant advertising like you put forth.

There's so much dirty subliminal or informal advertising that you can do with these things.

Re: LLMs are more persuasive than incentivized human persuaders

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Each of us could benefit from a respective loyal model of our own, critiquing and marking up any persuasive material from others.

Great, so Internet arguments devolve to Pokémon battles between our respective LLMs.

> ChatGPT, I choose YOU!

ChatGPT uses GISH GALLOP.

Re: LLMs are more persuasive than incentivized human persuaders

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Oops, my bad. I seem to have misread. Sorry.

No, a stack is LIFO like it said. A queue is FIFO or in other words LILO “Last In Last Out”.

My last job was at the office. I had my work queue implemented as a stack of files. I would sit at my desk and, in an infinite loop, pop files from my stack and process them. Occasionally, my supervisor would come and push a new file onto my stack. A naive worker would think that, once I was done with my stack, I could finally get some sleep, but no. Our office implemented something called "work stealing," where, once I was done with my own work, I had to visit a random co-worker and pop files from their stack.
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