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The Panic Over Fukushima

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Re: The Panic Over Fukushima

#41
post #6

Maybe I was being ridiculously optimistic, but ~200 projected additional cases of cancer seems pretty bad.

Over 15K people were killed in the quake and tsunami. On the scale of "badness", ~200 projected cases is not a scale tipper. Not to trivialize the additional projected cancer risks, just to put it in perspective.

Re: The Panic Over Fukushima

#42

Physicist Richard Muller should clearly demonstrate his beliefs by moving to Fukushima, instead of discussing the panic from the other side of the world. And he should also put nuclear risks in perspective, and contradict Seaborg: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/2011/03/a_is_for_atom....

Are you seriously trying to argue with a physics professor using an Adam Curtis documentary? Get outta here....

listen to Seaborg.

Re: The Panic Over Fukushima

#43
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was pointing out that the (background) radiation in Denver is not the same as the fallout from Fukushima.

Radiation is radiation; its not homeopathic. Radioactive isotopes are one source of radiation, insolation and cosmic background radiation are others. In this case the OP was referring specifically to maximum radiation exposure levels as defined by some big-"I" international organization.

>Radiation is radiation

No. It is not. There is alpha, gamma, beta+ and beta-. And there is a huge difference. And how healthy it is strongly depends on the area of you body that is exposed. If Your skin is exposed to alpha radiation it can be as harmless as a sunburn (it's a matter of the dosis). If you get alpha radiator into your bloodstream that's a whole different story at the same dosis.

Re: The Panic Over Fukushima

#44
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? Are you serious? BTW, there's a big difference between "background radiation" and ingested radiation (either through air, food, water, etc.) The scientific consensus is that there is no amount of radiation that is safe to ingest. http://www.rrjournal.org/doi/pdf/10.1667/RR2629.1 Do you really want to test your theory?

I'd happily ingest as much plutonium as you would caffeine.

How much plutonium would you be willing to inhale?

Re: The Panic Over Fukushima

#45
post #13

As an experiment, I volunteer to expose myself, my wife and my children to a yearly dose of radiation that is three times the maximum safe-level recommended by The International Commission on Radiological Protection. i.e. we happily live in the Denver area ;-)

Radiation and contamination are different, you can't just compare dosage levels in different scenarios.

If you wore a mask and suit all the time living next to Fukushima, it would not change how much radiation you get because plastic suits don't block radiation. But you would be vastly more healthy because you would avoid the contamination.

Essentially if you inhale radioactive particles they stay inside you and continue to radiate, and the substances themselves are often very toxic. This is the main concern.

Re: The Panic Over Fukushima

#46
The conclusion of the WSJ was: "The great tragedy of the Fukushima accident is that Japan shut down all its nuclear reactors. Even though officials have now turned two back on, the hardships and economic disruptions induced by this policy will be enormous and will dwarf any danger from the reactors themselves."

The conclusion of The Corbett Report was: "Along with the tragic loss of life, the destruction of homes, farms, businesses and property, and the beginning of the Fukushima nuclear crisis, the 2011 Tohoku earthquake and tsunami exposed the biggest secret of all: that the myth of the necessity of nuclear power in Japan is just that. A myth."

http://www.corbettreport.com/mp3/episode237_fukushimas_bigge...

Re: The Panic Over Fukushima

#47
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? Are you serious? BTW, there's a big difference between "background radiation" and ingested radiation (either through air, food, water, etc.) The scientific consensus is that there is no amount of radiation that is safe to ingest. http://www.rrjournal.org/doi/pdf/10.1667/RR2629.1 Do you really want to test your theory?

I'd happily ingest as much plutonium as you would caffeine.

Why would you agree to that?

Re: The Panic Over Fukushima

#48
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He should leave his tenured position at a major university to demonstrate his conviction? That's not a meaningful point or challenge.

we have the same point: why should he take a morally superior position and not mislead the public? this is what the documentary is about.

I'm not sure what you mean. My point was that challenging him to move to Fukushima doesn't show his hypocrisy or anything. He has very good reasons not to move to Fukushima that have nothing to do with the threat of radiation.

Re: The Panic Over Fukushima

#49
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it could have been much worse, say like Chernobyl, and it wasn't due to good engineering.

How could it have been like Chernobyl? The Fukushima reactors didn't have graphite moderators. Totally different reactor technologies, equivocating them is spurious at best.

The Chernobyl reactor also had no containment vessel, so the initial core failure blew a cloud of radioactive fire into the air. The Fukushima containment vessel kept most of the crap in one place until it could melt into a cohesive mass.

Re: The Panic Over Fukushima

#50
post #34
post #21

To the author of this article: I will believe you if you agree to move to Fukushima and live there for the rest of your life.

As for me, I live in Denver with my family which according to the exposure map, is about the same as living within 25 miles of Fukushima

You don't have radioactive iodine floating around. Radon doesn't asbord into your thyroid glands.
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