Is there a frozen client that someone could audit for assurance, then repeatedly use with your TEE-hosted backend? If instead users must use your web-served client code each time, you could subtly alter that over time or per-user, in ways unlikely to be detected by casual users – who'd then again be required to trust you (Tinfoil), rather than the goal on only having to trust the design & chip-manufacturer.
Launch HN: Tinfoil (YC X25): Verifiable Privacy for Cloud AI
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#42Looks great. Not sure how big the market is between "need max privacy, need on-prem" and "don't care, just use what is cheap/popular" tho. Can you talk about how this relates to / is different / is differentiated from what Apple claimed to do during their last WWDC? They called it "private cloud compute". (To be clear, after 11 months, this is still "announced", with no implementation anywhere, as far as I can see.)…
Re: Launch HN: Tinfoil (YC X25): Verifiable Privacy for Cloud AI
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This. Big tech providers already offer confidential inference today.
Last I checked it was only Azure offering the Nvidia specific confidential compute extensions, I'm likely out of date - a quick Google was inconclusive. Have GCP and AWS started offering this for GPUs?
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#44I tried taking a look at your documentation, but the site search is very slow and laggy in Firefox.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Last I checked it was only Azure offering the Nvidia specific confidential compute extensions, I'm likely out of date - a quick Google was inconclusive. Have GCP and AWS started offering this for GPUs?
GCP, yes: https://cloud.google.com/confidential-computing/confidential...
Re: Launch HN: Tinfoil (YC X25): Verifiable Privacy for Cloud AI
#47> https://docs.tinfoil.sh/verification/attestation-architectur... I tried taking a look at your documentation, but the site search is very slow and laggy in Firefox.
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#48> https://docs.tinfoil.sh/verification/attestation-architectur... I tried taking a look at your documentation, but the site search is very slow and laggy in Firefox.
Interesting, we haven't noticed that (on Firefox as well). We'll look into it!
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Interesting, we haven't noticed that (on Firefox as well). We'll look into it!
It looks like it might be the blur effect in a VM with no Firefox video acceleration. Also, email to support@tinfoil.sh (from "contact" link) just bounced back to me.
Re: Launch HN: Tinfoil (YC X25): Verifiable Privacy for Cloud AI
#50Is there a frozen client that someone could audit for assurance, then repeatedly use with your TEE-hosted backend? If instead users must use your web-served client code each time, you could subtly alter that over time or per-user, in ways unlikely to be detected by casual users – who'd then again be required to trust you (Tinfoil), rather than the goal on only having to trust the design & chip-manufacturer.
If you'd rather self-host, then the HazyResearch Lab at Stanford recently announced a FOSS e2ee implementation ("Minions") for Inference: https://hazyresearch.stanford.edu/blog/2025-05-12-security / https://github.com/HazyResearch/Minions