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Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

#41
Before I left Google, my org's leadership (recent external hires in the pursuit of ruthless efficiency) instituted a "5 minutes between meetings" rule. The intent was to shorten meetings and have time between them.

Well, no one agreed upon which 5 minutes were to be shortened, and like the post, it often wasn't observed anyways. So the result was 10 minutes of confusion every half hour.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

#42

I thought one of the reasons we call it a standup is because everyone just, stands up, and does a ytb. So you don't need a meeting room. Nice story.

In an open office, room-less meetings are quite disruptive. I still remember what the completely unrelated team two rows away was working on 8 years ago since I listened to them talk about it for 10 minutes every day. (I also apologize to everyone else since our team did the same thing)

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

#43
Oooh, my heroes! I hate when stated policy is treated as "just a paper" and ignored. I understand that sometimes it's temporary/transitional - OK, it happens. But when rule is present for long time and it becomes de facto standard to disregard it - either change the rule or start following it.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

#44
post #35

I thought one of the reasons we call it a standup is because everyone just, stands up, and does a ytb. So you don't need a meeting room. Nice story.

what is a ytb?

Yesterday, Today, Blockers. I.e. the typical standup update.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

#45
post #9

This is not really malicious compliance because it is not aimed at the boss who ordered the policy. It’s more like chaotic neutral compliance.

I didn't even see it as that. I saw it as perfectly rational behavior - you only need 10 minutes for a short standup, then squeezing it in between the tail end of meetings makes perfect sense.

Perhaps I'm a tad on the spectrum which is why I have zero problem with this, either from the perspective of the people who booked it for 50 mins or those who booked it for 10.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

#46
post #9

This is not really malicious compliance because it is not aimed at the boss who ordered the policy. It’s more like chaotic neutral compliance.

I did hem and haw over whether it was appropriate, but I eventually went with it because it felt in line with the first 2 sentences of the Wikipedia page defining the phrase as "Malicious compliance (also known as malicious obedience) is the behavior of strictly following the orders of a superior despite knowing that compliance with the orders will have an unintended or negative result. It usually implies following a…

It might have been malicious compliance. It might also have been your coworkers having a reasonable (if incorrect) expectation that their coworkers at a leading tech company understood how to schedule meeting time using the calendar their company produces. Or maybe both.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

#47

At MIT, lectures must follow MIT time; all lectures are expected to start 5 minutes after the hour, and end 5 minutes before. Funnily this means each lecture is about one microcentury long. Exams are the one exception, they start on the dot. https://oge.mit.edu/mit-time/

At most European universities, it is practice to start lectures cum tempore , i.e. with time , meaning 15 minutes after formal calendar time. It'll say 10:00 c.t. on the event, meaning it actually starts at 10:15. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_quarter_(class_timing...

At a US university, I had an large elective class where the professor refused to start until things had "settled down", and he said he was going to add that time to the end to ensure he got his full 50 minutes.

I had a major-related class 10 minutes after, clear across campus, about a mile of walking. This professor was nice about it, but I was the only one coming in late at all.

So I made sure to sit in the front row of the earlier lecture, and left precisely when the class was supposed to end, leaving no doubt I had places to go.

Some people just think they set the conventions.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

#48
> But you could never shake the feeling that Larry Page had to make decisions all day long and forgot that sometimes people meet for other reasons.

I can empathize. I'm in the middle of an extremely prescriptive re-org (down to the team level) that kinda feels like some leader forgot that the rest of the org isn't some cookie cutter copy of the leader's personal experience.

It's so satisfying when the leader describes the results of the re-org as exactly opposite to what actually happened.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

#49
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anyone else is confused, a microcentury is apparently around 52.6 minutes long.

Microcentury sounds like somebody didn't reduce their fractions. I propose centiyear.

Those are not the same; one is a bit less than an hour, another is 3 and a half days.

A microcentury is 100 nanoyears if you prefer that.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

#50

10 minute standup , woof

My team has 15min standups, in holiday times we regularly stop after 10min. Very focussed on the sprint goal and getting each other unstuck- it's great. Much better than the "let's walk over every issue on the jira board and argue about technical implementations".

The first standup experience of my career predates “agile” and was run by my first engineering manager, who happened to be an ex-marine. QA was unhappy with the product. (There was QA!) 10m standups were instituted at 8:45a in the QA workspace. Great process hacking: QA could interject and also hear first hand orientation. Everyone started their day knowing the plan. (And everyone started their day at the same time.) Fun to reflect on how much has changed.
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