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Re: Why I now, unfortunately, hate Hacker News..

#41
Hi Steve,

I don't know if you are going to read this, but I'm going to write it for the rest of the audience too.

I think the trend of dismissing critics and commenting along the lines of "sour grapes" or "haters" very disturbing. Yes I go against your commentary. The great thing about internet and communities based on pseudonyms is that you get the first reaction that people have. Very few will take a few minutes to give their opinion, weight the different possibilities etc... It's brutal, it's direct. If you have run a service online you certainly know that you receive very angry/ threatening emails from people that use your services and are displeased. If it disturbs you it means that you are not ready for having a personal project on display, it's as simple as that. People in life and particularly on the internet are very angry and you have disturbed individuals. Opening a service with your name and your address is becoming some kind of "celebrity", people will HATE you for no good reason.

To come back to what I think is bad/annoying on Hacker News is of a different nature and I'll list a few:

* Well thought comments are often ignored and not read ( not up/downvoted, just ignored )

* Stardom: No matter what they post some ""famous"" people around here get their post on the front page. By courtesy I won't list who they are but everybody can spot it pretty easily. I'm very disappointed by this attitude personally, and it doesn't speak highly of a place that is supposed to be almost a pure meritocracy.

* Fads/ Jealousy: A lot of people here want to be rich and famous thus it creates tension. It allows me to come back to your point: these people are likely going to dismiss your ideas based on jealousy.

* Over-repetition of some stories ad nauseum: dumb benchmarks to see the number of req/s, analysis App.net, Education sucks...

All that being said it remains an interesting community but with some drawbacks. I guess nothing can have it all.

Re: Why I now, unfortunately, hate Hacker News..

#42
On the other hand when I criticized Chris Granger's "LightTable" I was told that I was a "hater" followed by several statements suggesting that Chris should ignore folks like myself: the "haters".

So I'm not sure, perhaps it is more about who you are than what you say. In any case, I have noted the general fall in quality of articles here, but, there's still some interesting stuff now and again... c'est la vie!

Re: Why I now, unfortunately, hate Hacker News..

#43
Steve,

In my personal opinion, receiving negative responses is good for your startup because learn to deal with them. I do agree, that if that is all you are getting, it is disconcerting. But, maybe there is something wrong with your startup/project.

Think about this, I have a lot of friends, and when I showed them my project, they all said: "That is amazing!" "It is going to change the world" So on, and so forth.

See I love my friends, but that doesn't help me. I am not building a startup to get fame, I am trying to solve a problem. My friends love me and don't want to hurt my feelings, but honestly, my feelings are not part of the startup equation. My friends will not help me improve my vision to solve a problem.

HN has been good at showing a lot of negatives when projects are shown here, but you have to really try to understand what they are saying. Listen to the negatives, they are the best response you are going to get, because they will highlight the flaws on your business model, your project or even your idea.

Instead of looking at those negative responses as a way to get you down, listen to them, and try to get the best out of it. Deep inside a negative is just another way to tell how to succeed.

Hope this helps, Alex.

Re: Why I now, unfortunately, hate Hacker News..

#44
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What projects are you working on now? If you're still stuck with a long commute and you are looking for something to build, you could try your hand at a Hacker News replacement. There are certainly enough people here jaded by the toxicity that would make the jump someplace new. My only piece of advice, if you decide do this, don't post it as a "Show HN". Reach out to smart people privately to beta test it.

Bruce Perens used to have a tech site (I can't even remember the name of it now), but he shut it down years ago due partly to the degeneration into faction-based sniping and general cliquishness. Hopefully HN won't end up going the same way. There's still time to turn things around.

Re: Why I now, unfortunately, hate Hacker News..

#45
post #22

Wow, it's a good thing you're not a writer... Criticism is one of the best ways to learn to be better at what you do. "Hate this, hate that" may be negative but it is useful feedback from actual/potential users of your site/service/app/whatever. HN is a far better site with useful comments than it is a site with solely positive comments.

Ironically I am a writer - I've written a sitcom and had it made and have had my fair share of 'this is awful' comments - I get people won't like my stuff, I don't have a problem with that. I am making the point that the old HN crowd would give constructive feedback rather than just rip in to you...

Re: Why I now, unfortunately, hate Hacker News..

#46
Steve, we understand that you probably bitter with your recent experiences on HN and wanted to vent out. no problem. We are all humans. But I am a more recent user on HN and find it very interesting. A lot of Show HN posts get positive and negative feedback equally. I personally always add any valuable feedback if I can, even if critical. Do not be discouraged and keep trying. You need to continously inspire yourself. I hope you still wake up everyday waiting to get back on HN.

Re: Why I now, unfortunately, hate Hacker News..

#47
post #4

Sigh. Personally, I don't have a problem with people being negative. 99% of startups fail, and I think it's worthwhile reminding people of that every now and then. Hacker News shouldn't live in some magical land where everyone is going to make the next billion dollar company. If you truly, genuinely, believe in your idea then you can take the negativity in your stride. There will be plenty of constructive feedback bu…

Personally, I don't have a problem with people being negative. 99% of startups fail, and I think it's worthwhile reminding people of that every now and then. Hacker News shouldn't live in some magical land where everyone is going to make the next billion dollar company. If this is the case, why even allow for comments? Just have a bot that auto-responds a bunch of times with randomly generated comments that 99% of th…

untog also wrote There will be plenty of constructive feedback buried in there somewhere..

Constructive feedback is generally what you want. Positive vs negative is more about mood than content - and there is plenty of worthless positive feedback out there.

Re: Why I now, unfortunately, hate Hacker News..

#48
Hi Steve,

I have to disagree. Over the past year or so I have launched two things on HN, both of which got incredibly positive feedback and a whole bunch of suggestions for improvements.

One of the launches went so well, I actually made money off the project - from HN users.

However, I think it probably depends on how you frame the launch, on whether HN is in fact the right community for the product and whether you don't do this when everybody is looking another way or worrying about something else.

For instance, it would have been a terrible idea to launch something when ACTA was going on.

Cheers, ~Swizec

Re: Why I now, unfortunately, hate Hacker News..

#49
post #4

Sigh. Personally, I don't have a problem with people being negative. 99% of startups fail, and I think it's worthwhile reminding people of that every now and then. Hacker News shouldn't live in some magical land where everyone is going to make the next billion dollar company. If you truly, genuinely, believe in your idea then you can take the negativity in your stride. There will be plenty of constructive feedback bu…

> And maybe it is a bad idea.

^This.

Sometimes people feel very passionate about something and they get tunnel vision. They invest hours, weeks, years on something and to them it is going to be the next big thing that will get the girl, kill the baddies... and save the entire planet[1]. But guess what? Sometimes... sometimes... it really is just shit. Sorry to tell you this but your idea sucks... or the execution sucks... or both. [strawman alert] If all you want to hear is how awesome it is, then go show it to your mum. I'm sure she'll tell you how special you are and that you can do no wrong.

[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aD3XSOBCxk

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