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A conversation about AI for science with Jason Pruet

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Re: A conversation about AI for science with Jason Pruet

#41

Clearly AI is worthy of public investment, but given the capture of this administration by tech interests, how can we be sure that public AI funding isn't just handouts to the president's cronies?

How about we fix global warming and switch 100% to clean energy, and then invest in AI?

I think climate change is legit. But I also think that a lot of it is just a mechanism to knee cap other countries from progressing. I don’t mind, because it keeps us at the top.

Re: A conversation about AI for science with Jason Pruet

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I fail to understand the sentiment here. This is the intention of tech transfer. To have private-sector entities commercialize the R&D. What is the alternative? National labs and universities can't commercialize in the same way, including due to legal restrictions at the state and sometimes federal level. As long as the process and tech transfer agreements are fair and transparent -- and not concentrated in say OpenA…

> What is the alternative? Reasonably there should be a two way exchange? It might be okay for companies to piggyback on research funds if that also means that more research insight enters public knowledge.

I’d be happy if they just paid their fair share of tax and stopped acting like they were self-made when they really just piggybacked on public funds and research.

There’s zero acknowledgment or appreciation of public infra and research.

Re: A conversation about AI for science with Jason Pruet

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This isn't an "either or" situation. You can do both. The absolute dollar value might seem high, because we're working with the budget of not just a country but the wealthiest country, but as a percentage it is quite low. You can certainly pull funds from other areas too, like the military, which also greatly benefit from such research endeavors. Even if these were exclusively non-weapons and non-military based techn…

What's the Taiwan strategy?

https://www.tsmc.com/

Re: A conversation about AI for science with Jason Pruet

#45

Clearly AI is worthy of public investment, but given the capture of this administration by tech interests, how can we be sure that public AI funding isn't just handouts to the president's cronies?

How about we fix global warming and switch 100% to clean energy, and then invest in AI?

Who "we"?

The people qualified to fix global warming aren't the same people qualified to work on ML.

Re: A conversation about AI for science with Jason Pruet

#46

Clearly AI is worthy of public investment, but given the capture of this administration by tech interests, how can we be sure that public AI funding isn't just handouts to the president's cronies?

How about we fix global warming and switch 100% to clean energy, and then invest in AI?

This is the plan. Build all the clean infrastructure with the fake promise of AI and once the bubble bursts, boom. We have spare clean capacity for everyone.

Re: A conversation about AI for science with Jason Pruet

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> I didn't see a reluctance in federal labs to work with capable entrepreneurs My reluctance is when we talk about fraud, waste, and corruptions in government, this is where it happens. The DoD's budget isn't $1T because they are spending $900B on the troops. It's $1T because $900B of that ends up in the hands of the likes of Lockhead martin and Raytheon to build equipment we don't need. I frankly do not trust "entre…

Not that it fully takes away from your argument but a lot of that high price tag is also due to requiring much better controls on material to prevent supply chain attacks ala getting beepers with explosives in the hands of all your leadership

All the more reason to bring such initiatives inhouse and not outsource them.

You can hope that a defense company is doing the right things in terms of supply chain attacks, but that's a pretty lucrative corner to cut. They'd not even need to cut it all the time to reap benefits.

The only other alternative is frequent audits of the defense company which is expensive and wouldn't necessarily solve the problem.

Re: A conversation about AI for science with Jason Pruet

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Clearly AI is worthy of public investment, but given the capture of this administration by tech interests, how can we be sure that public AI funding isn't just handouts to the president's cronies?

The DOE has been building supercomputers for a while now: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Ridge_Leadership_Computi...

Even more importantly, they are GPU based. The US has 3 exascale computers (out of 3 in the world). I should stress that these measurements are based on LINPACK, and are at fp64 precision. This is quite a different measurement than others might be thinking of with recent announcements in AI (which are fp8)

https://www.top500.org/lists/top500/2024/11/

Re: A conversation about AI for science with Jason Pruet

#49

Clearly AI is worthy of public investment, but given the capture of this administration by tech interests, how can we be sure that public AI funding isn't just handouts to the president's cronies?

LLMs seem to be plateauing. I'd rather let the markets chase AI.

Re: A conversation about AI for science with Jason Pruet

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How about we fix global warming and switch 100% to clean energy, and then invest in AI?

Who "we"? The people qualified to fix global warming aren't the same people qualified to work on ML.

Don't you know? Humanity can only solve one problem at a time in order of importance.

And it's corollary: something being in the news or social media means everyone else has stopped working on other problems and is now solely working on whatever that headline's words say.

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