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Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Bonfire is an open-source framework for building federated digital spaces where people can gather, interact, and form communities online." https://docs.bonfirenetworks.org/readme.html Further down the page it says it is built in Elixir with Phoenix/LiveView and PostgreSQL.

A new federated protocol? or does this provide a different front end to an existing Federated system?

it's a set of plugins built on top of ActivityPub. It's like an intermediate layer.

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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These sites are easy to figure out. Go to Main Page Scroll down to go to the "Code of Conduct" Search on "Reverse" Read "Our community prioritises marginalised people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. Moderators reserve the right not to act on complaints regarding: ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia.’ or critiques of racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressiv…

bro, you posted cringe. This stuff was already edgy non-sense in 2016.

This is not my cringe, I'm just reposting the garbage from the Bonfire/op COC

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Refreshing reading. I hope we soon move to an era where this kind of initiative is the starting point. (In opposition to the make quick money model)

P2P everything, then.

To scale up to a billion+ users of [whatever], it's easier if every user controls their own data (and some of 'nearby' users) on their own devices. Logically you'd need P2P between those billion+ users to make that network as a whole work.

BUT: figuring out how to do that well, is hard. Doing that in centralized manner (centralized database, users are clients only, etc) is easier. And gives maximum control to whoever starts it.

Of course scaling that means big hosting / bandwidth costs, to recoup (and profit!), enter advertising & all the bad incentives that come with it.

Like you, I hope the ad-supported everything crap is just a transitional stage, and by-the-people, for-the-people becomes the norm.

But P2P services done well is hard. The struggles of crypto coins, (truly) decentralized file sharing, and would-be FB competitors are just a few examples.

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Not in the past 10 years or so, no. To the point that Uber said they may never generate profit in their IPO filing

They may never, but the competitors they killed with being VC funded, will never

Oh, that's a brilliant description

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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It caught my attention big time. All up until the point the word "caracul" was linked to the Zapatista movement, literally -- as in, to the Wikipedia page on Zapatista -- which, in turn says: > is a far-left political and militant group that controls a substantial amount of territory in Chiapas, the southernmost state of Mexico.[4][5][6][7] I don't mean to preach political theory now, but as far as I can see we're al…

The way I read these capitalist/anti-capitalist debates is that those for capitalism usually have an idealized version of it in their heads and those against it have some very specific issue in mind.

In Latin America, there are many communities that have suffered because of specific capitalist ventures: a banana plantation, a copper mine, etc.

You have to acknowledge these things and offer a better version of capitalism if you want diminish this divide.

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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I cannot figure out what Bonfire is . - The homepage has a bunch of "Bonfire is...", but they don't tell me much about how Bonfire achieves any of those goals like to be a "commons". - There's a codebase and documentation, but it comes in six different "flavours" , although I can only really differentiate between two. - Most of the FAQs just say "wip". - It proudly states that there are no ads, no tracking, etc, but…

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You couldn't waterboard this out of me.

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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It caught my attention big time. All up until the point the word "caracul" was linked to the Zapatista movement, literally -- as in, to the Wikipedia page on Zapatista -- which, in turn says: > is a far-left political and militant group that controls a substantial amount of territory in Chiapas, the southernmost state of Mexico.[4][5][6][7] I don't mean to preach political theory now, but as far as I can see we're al…

You seem to be recoiling from the idea of average people being armed and militant. Like its surprising or outside of normal.

Im going to assume you're a reasonable person and have been watching some news. You probably think like I do that its good for society to follow some laws and have some checks on different groups power.

Hows that working out right now? You know without meaningful militancy on one side of the political spectrum.

Its been my experience when people ask for "politics" to be taken out of a thing they implicitly ask for the politics of the status quo. Which is domination by the commercial software industry and anything else the rich own, because they write the laws.

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

then there's no money for actual maintenance beyond that say a year.

Which is fine.

And also drives user-centric innovation. If I buy your app and you release a new major version, you have to convince me to buy it again. Which means putting in features I'd need as a user, not just the ones that look good on shareholder meetings.

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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post #45
post #40

It caught my attention big time. All up until the point the word "caracul" was linked to the Zapatista movement, literally -- as in, to the Wikipedia page on Zapatista -- which, in turn says: > is a far-left political and militant group that controls a substantial amount of territory in Chiapas, the southernmost state of Mexico.[4][5][6][7] I don't mean to preach political theory now, but as far as I can see we're al…

The way I read these capitalist/anti-capitalist debates is that those for capitalism usually have an idealized version of it in their heads and those against it have some very specific issue in mind. In Latin America, there are many communities that have suffered because of specific capitalist ventures: a banana plantation, a copper mine, etc. You have to acknowledge these things and offer a better version of capital…

Meanwhile, those who are for socialism usually have an idealised version of it in their heads and those against it have some very specific issue in mind.

People are funny.

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