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Re: Square introduces monthly pricing

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There are limits (it's still _revolutionary_ for an industry that loves to nickle & dime, though) Up to $400 per any single transaction and up to $250,000 in total transactions per year—or approximately $21,000 per month. Swiped transactions over these limits simply cost 2.75% per swipe. $21,000 * .0275 = $577.5 in fees. I would love to see more Square adoption. In Charleston, lots of cart vendors (hot dogs, popsicle…

These limits are in place to keep people like me from gaming the system. Without these limits I would have an Amex Black card with $1M+ in annual transactions, and enough points to cover the $2500 amex fee, and the $3300 square fee.

In college, I financed a spring break trip with credit card points by buying US Savings bonds on a credit card. The US treasury quickly wised up and realized selling bonds without charging a credit card fee was stupid. Even the US treasury got caught up in the first internet craze.

Re: Square introduces monthly pricing

#42

I see a potential for abuse - if the cash back on certain credit cards exceeds the max rate, people could cycle money through for profit. e.g. I had a 2% cash back credit card Cashback: 21k/mo * 2%=$420 Fees: $275 Upside potential: $145/mo Not much profit possible, but with multiple accounts at roughly 2 $400 swipes per day per account, I would watch out for something like this.

In this case, who makes up the difference? I would assume that it would be on Square's end to make up the 2%-1.32% difference, so it's likely that Square would be the one to terminate your account.

However, I do wonder what kind of perks you get from a credit card company if you could spend $250k/year with them.

Re: Square introduces monthly pricing

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So two things that I've never understood. 1) Why is it just now that someone's actually providing competitive service in this space? We've had people selling CC machines and service for years... 2) Where (in general, not just with Square) does the money actually go? It seems that prior to Square announcing this, getting under 2-3% or so was nearly impossible. On the scale of the US economy alone, that's HUGE money. W…

Hi tibbon! To answer 1: Almost all of the fee structure goes to players much higher up the chain than Square. The networks take a chunk, but in fact most of the fee goes to the originating bank (the bank that issued the card). This is a major source of income for most banks these days and can generally be arbitrarily set by them since merchants not only have no other options except cash, but also cannot tell what the…

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Re: Square introduces monthly pricing

#44
The next step for Square, in my opinion, is developing a reader for the EMV cards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMV), which is hugely dominant in Europe - and also more secure. See a this useful Quora post, from 12 months ago: http://www.quora.com/How-does-Square-intend-to-translate-the...

Going international, or making such a reader, opens up an enormous market and the potential is huge.

I'm waiting, excited, as I see Square disrupting this business. As tibbon asked earlier in the comments: "why has no one disrupted this market before". I'll think it is a good question, I have no answer, but find it is about time. Ref. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4392763

Also, an interesting firm from Sweden, which is worth following now is iZettle (https://www.izettle.com/) which has developed an EMV reader. Noticably their, "how much do I pay to use iZettle" page is intresting. http://help.izettle.com/customer/en_us/portal/articles/53095...

Re: Square introduces monthly pricing

#45

The next step for Square, in my opinion, is developing a reader for the EMV cards ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMV ), which is hugely dominant in Europe - and also more secure. See a this useful Quora post, from 12 months ago: http://www.quora.com/How-does-Square-intend-to-translate-the... Going international, or making such a reader, opens up an enormous market and the potential is huge. I'm waiting, excited, as I…

There are dozens of chip readers on the market all around the world already, they just don't have the software, good design and price structure to match.

Re: Square introduces monthly pricing

#46

I see a potential for abuse - if the cash back on certain credit cards exceeds the max rate, people could cycle money through for profit. e.g. I had a 2% cash back credit card Cashback: 21k/mo * 2%=$420 Fees: $275 Upside potential: $145/mo Not much profit possible, but with multiple accounts at roughly 2 $400 swipes per day per account, I would watch out for something like this.

My card limits my cash back to something like $300 dollars per year. If there is a card that lets you get close to $5000 dollars cash back a year, I'd LOVE to hear about it.

Re: Square introduces monthly pricing

#47

I see a potential for abuse - if the cash back on certain credit cards exceeds the max rate, people could cycle money through for profit. e.g. I had a 2% cash back credit card Cashback: 21k/mo * 2%=$420 Fees: $275 Upside potential: $145/mo Not much profit possible, but with multiple accounts at roughly 2 $400 swipes per day per account, I would watch out for something like this.

I don't know about Square's terms, but I've always been told by merchant account providers that charging your own card is one of those things that will get your account terminated immediately if they become aware of it.

Re: Square introduces monthly pricing

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So two things that I've never understood. 1) Why is it just now that someone's actually providing competitive service in this space? We've had people selling CC machines and service for years... 2) Where (in general, not just with Square) does the money actually go? It seems that prior to Square announcing this, getting under 2-3% or so was nearly impossible. On the scale of the US economy alone, that's HUGE money. W…

Hi tibbon! To answer 1: Almost all of the fee structure goes to players much higher up the chain than Square. The networks take a chunk, but in fact most of the fee goes to the originating bank (the bank that issued the card). This is a major source of income for most banks these days and can generally be arbitrarily set by them since merchants not only have no other options except cash, but also cannot tell what the…

I am interested in hearing what you have to discuss.

Re: Square introduces monthly pricing

#50

Square should automatically wave fees after collecting $275 per month.

That would be a pretty awesome thing to do from a customer service perspective.

It would be like the phone companies charging you for the cheapest phone plan based on your usage for the month.

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