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Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by maccard »

alt227 wrote: post #24
hnlmorg wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically the App Store only exists because of the ridicule Apple received when they announced their new smartphone which then only supported 3rd party applications as web apps. Back then, native apps were considered a “must have” feature for smartphones. How times have changed.

The App store and native apps are not one and the same. OP didnt say that native apps need to die, only the app store. Android ecosystem deals just fine with native apps being distributed in .apk format which can just easily be installed by the user clicking on the file. Why cant this happen on Apple devices too?

If you think the android ecosystem is just fine as it is, why don’t you just use it instead of trying to change one that many other people are happy with?

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by nextworddev »

owebmaster wrote: post #20
nextworddev wrote: post #17

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just like the internet. We don't need Apple to make tens of billions of dollars out of pretending to filter it.

And Apple doesn’t need to give you access to its users

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by maccard »

swiftcoder wrote: post #14
dartharva wrote: post #11

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What about the freemium model that is standard in the industry? Not everything is games.

You mean the model that has shifted to where apps that used to be a single $10 unlock, now have a recurring subscription of $24.99/month? Personally unclear how much less predatory the shift to subscriptions for trivial feature unlocks is than loot boxes...

What app used to be $10 and is now a $300/year subscription?

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by smallmancontrov »

deeThrow94 wrote: post #38
klabb3 wrote: post #28

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Apple was doing malicious compliance all along. It’s not surprising. But this is extremely good news, because it dampens FUD and narratives such as ”the EU is only going after American companies with frivolous rules”. If you get punished this hard for anti-trust, in the US, you are so out of line it’s not even funny. So it adds legitimacy to the free market spirit seen in markets like EU, which has been criticized fo…

> So it adds legitimacy to the free market spirit seen in markets like EU, which has been criticized for making up arbitrary rules for self-interest. I'm confused a) who is taking the concept of free markets seriously, especially in this context where markets (and competition) are arbitrarily defined and owned by corporations and and b) who would view self-interested laws as either surprising or bad? Of course laws a…

This is HN, the Church of the Free Market is well represented. If you haven't yet seen someone give the "free markets create competition" speech on Monday and the "my company aims to capture this space and then entrench a monopoly with economies of scale / network effects / platform effects / two sided markets / last mile dynamics" pitch on Tuesday, just hang around HN a bit more. You won't have to wait long.

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by owebmaster »

nextworddev wrote: post #42
owebmaster wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

just like the internet. We don't need Apple to make tens of billions of dollars out of pretending to filter it.

And Apple doesn’t need to give you access to its users

I own Apple products and I'm not theirs to decide what I can do, I'm free to use my hardware the way I want.

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by moooo99 »

nextworddev wrote: post #42
owebmaster wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

just like the internet. We don't need Apple to make tens of billions of dollars out of pretending to filter it.

And Apple doesn’t need to give you access to its users

People who bought an iPhone are not users, they are customers who bought a product they now own. It’s not unreasonable to expect that the customers who bought product with their own money have control over said product.

Repeating this ridiculous argument doesn’t make it any less ridiculous. Imagine if the automotive world did what Apple does, how damn pound the outcry would be today.

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by pokot0 »

deeThrow94 wrote: post #38
klabb3 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple was doing malicious compliance all along. It’s not surprising. But this is extremely good news, because it dampens FUD and narratives such as ”the EU is only going after American companies with frivolous rules”. If you get punished this hard for anti-trust, in the US, you are so out of line it’s not even funny. So it adds legitimacy to the free market spirit seen in markets like EU, which has been criticized fo…

> So it adds legitimacy to the free market spirit seen in markets like EU, which has been criticized for making up arbitrary rules for self-interest. I'm confused a) who is taking the concept of free markets seriously, especially in this context where markets (and competition) are arbitrarily defined and owned by corporations and and b) who would view self-interested laws as either surprising or bad? Of course laws a…

I think a more interesting question is: who is “self”? US is historically more prone to favor business, while EU seems more concerned in protecting consumers. And of course there is the noise generated by incompetence/corruption/lobbying that makes the question of “in the interest of whom are laws made?” very nuanced.

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by Aaargh20318 »

hnlmorg wrote: post #19
revskill wrote: post #6

Apple store needs to die. We have the web.

Ironically the App Store only exists because of the ridicule Apple received when they announced their new smartphone which then only supported 3rd party applications as web apps. Back then, native apps were considered a “must have” feature for smartphones. How times have changed.

> How times have changed.

They really haven't.

'Web apps' are terrible, both from an end-user and developer perspective. They are a bloated, overcomplicated mess.

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by jillesvangurp »

hnlmorg wrote: post #19
revskill wrote: post #6

Apple store needs to die. We have the web.

Ironically the App Store only exists because of the ridicule Apple received when they announced their new smartphone which then only supported 3rd party applications as web apps. Back then, native apps were considered a “must have” feature for smartphones. How times have changed.

The itunes store predates the iphone. The lack of native apps was resolved within a year of the iphone launch with the second generation. Probably they weren't ready for native developers and freezing APIs.

And in fairness, Safari was pretty capable on iphone. I remember regularly using the iphone optimized version of Google Reader on Symbian, which of course had its own webkit based browser. Worked pretty well in 2008. I was working in Nokia Research then. Lots of people experimenting with browser based UIs there at there. Also the S60 webkit port came out of one of the teams there around 2005 or so. Nokia had a full blown browser running on smart phones years before the iphone launched. Incredible how they dropped the ball. I'm pretty sure that influenced the thinking in Apple when they were designing the iphone. Because Webkit of course was their project.

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