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Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

#41

I love JetBrains and hate vscode, but Cursor was such a huge productivity boost that I ended up switching. Unfortunately none of the JetBrains plugins (Junie, the older AI Assistant, Windsurf/codeium, etc) come close yet :(

After hearing so much about Cursor, and then reading your comment, I decided to give it a try. Here's my honest, first ever time trying to use it:

- I go to its website and neither on the homepage nor the features tab does it bother listing what languages the IDE is even for. Is it Python? C? HTML? It's an IDE .. for what? What languages? What project types? How can they not list this basic fact?

- Oh well, click the big Download link, and it downloads an app image file. No idea what to do with this, never seen one before, have to google it.

- Mark the file as executable and run it and get a cryptic error: "The setuid sandbox is not running as root" and it errors out.

- Back to google, google for that error message. Find various Cusor bug reports and people complaining about it but they haven't bothered fixing it.

- Find a workaround, to pass in a –no-sandbox arg when running Cursor, and now I get it to launch.

- It opens up but the text is incredibly small on my (4K) monitor and the text coloring is a dark grey that's almost indistinguishable from the background color, immediately go look for settings to fix it. There's ~50 settings results for "font" or "size", I change a few of them and it seems to make no impact to the UI font and I quickly give up and just want to try the editor.

- I read online that I need a "CMake Tools" extension to open a CMake project. In cursor I open the extensions marketplace and search for "CMake" and there's zero results. I try to open a CMakeLists file anyways and it opens it as a text file and then prompts me to install a "CMake Tools" extension. Ok? Why didn't it show up in the marketplace before?

- I click the popup about the CMake Tools extension it opens the marketplace page for it, showing me the details about it. Whilst I'm reading the details for example to see who the author of the extension is, whether it's even a legit extension or not, the reviews of it, it just automatically installs it by default without me clicking the Install button that was on the page.

- After installing the extension the CMake file I opened is just in a tab but hasn't imported the CMake project, so I close it and re-open it from the File->Open menu.

- It again just opens the file as a plain text file and doesn't actually try to import the CMake project in any way, I don't see any popup or button or call to action to actually import the CMake project in any way.

- I give up and just switch back to my normal IDE

Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

#42

I love JetBrains and hate vscode, but Cursor was such a huge productivity boost that I ended up switching. Unfortunately none of the JetBrains plugins (Junie, the older AI Assistant, Windsurf/codeium, etc) come close yet :(

The subscription costs are worth it?

I use it mostly as smarter autocomplete and it's still absolutely worth it. I really tried having it write unit tests in Go, write simple Astro websites, etc, but I'm never satisfied with how dumb it is when "vibe coding", so I use it as Intellisense on steroids for now, but I don't doubt it will become even better soon. The chat feature is fantastic and between it and the contextual help I barely ever have to reach for actual (code) documentation.

Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

#43
post #35

They have much superior product compared to VSCode in terms of pretty much everything, except AI. Not sure why it’s so hard for them to catch up with Cursor. They have everything they need but somehow they focus on just something that they don’t have much expertise, building models instead of better integration. It’s a shame seeing such good product going downhill considering AI is becoming fundamental for dev produc…

I actually have hopes that this will work out for them in the long run. Their bet seems to be at this point including the AI stuff in with the subscription: staving off the existential threat to their business without charging more, while still not having to spend insane amounts paying for someone else's model.

At least with code completion it's pretty obvious at this point that no one needs the overpowered top-line models, and the trajectory on local LLMs is such that I don't think it's unreasonable for them to hope to avoid the big players entirely.

They don't need to beat Claude for it to work, they just need to keep their customers satisfied.

Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

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post #38
post #35

They have much superior product compared to VSCode in terms of pretty much everything, except AI. Not sure why it’s so hard for them to catch up with Cursor. They have everything they need but somehow they focus on just something that they don’t have much expertise, building models instead of better integration. It’s a shame seeing such good product going downhill considering AI is becoming fundamental for dev produc…

They’re in a difficult position because half their users want more AI but the other half complain loudly when it’s forced on them. Cursor is beating them because they can deeply embed AI everywhere without worrying about this.

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Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

#45

The whole Jetbrains product suite is sliding downhill quality wise. Can we go back to the days of yore where it was just a lightning fast Java code editor and it did that extremely well?

Any specific reason you’d say that? I’ve been using Rider for years it has been strictly getting better with each version. (Please don’t disappoint me by saying “they added an optional feature and I don’t like it”)

I'm not OP, but agree that the tooling—DataGrip and WebStorm for me—is getting worse. Here are issues observed for the latest updates:

- DataGrip sporadically stops working when returning from sleep. I have to force-kill it to continue.

- Take a relatively empty file with 10 lines. WebStorm is supposed to reformat on save. It hangs for 10+ seconds or until I cancel reformatting.

- I saw a low memory alert for the first time in months this week. My workflow hasn't changed drastically and I wasn't running anything, just editing a few files.

- Overall everything feels a little slower than it did a couple weeks ago with the older version.

I don't think it's worth filing issues in YouTrack because I've seen those go nowhere in the past.

Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

#46
post #35

They have much superior product compared to VSCode in terms of pretty much everything, except AI. Not sure why it’s so hard for them to catch up with Cursor. They have everything they need but somehow they focus on just something that they don’t have much expertise, building models instead of better integration. It’s a shame seeing such good product going downhill considering AI is becoming fundamental for dev produc…

Yeah, I’ve spent some time building IntelliJ plugins, and honestly, the authoring experience has some real limitations. It’s not the easiest platform to work with, especially when it comes to writing automated tests. That might be part of the reason why their or any third-party AI plugins don’t feel as smooth as the ones on VS Code.

Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

#48

I love JetBrains and hate vscode, but Cursor was such a huge productivity boost that I ended up switching. Unfortunately none of the JetBrains plugins (Junie, the older AI Assistant, Windsurf/codeium, etc) come close yet :(

Ditto, I love JetBrains, but cannot ignore Cursor. I use the IntelliJ shortcuts / Darcula extensions to help with familiarity.

Among the ones you mentioned, I also tried Gemini Code Assist JetBrains extension, but it doesn't integrate anywhere close to what Cursor does. (Direct code inserts, rollbacks, checkpoints, context integration) Zzzzz come on JetBrains

Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

#50

The whole Jetbrains product suite is sliding downhill quality wise. Can we go back to the days of yore where it was just a lightning fast Java code editor and it did that extremely well?

Any specific reason you’d say that? I’ve been using Rider for years it has been strictly getting better with each version. (Please don’t disappoint me by saying “they added an optional feature and I don’t like it”)

Rider stands out because the competition for C# development is VS2022 and VSCode. VS2022 is bloated and slow, while VSCode is missing tons of important features. Can't really speak to how other JB offerings compare to their competitors, but Rider is best-in-class for C#/.NET.
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