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Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by sorcerer-mar »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #19
sorcerer-mar wrote: post #13

The world would be a lot better off if Tesla and Uber get smoked on this. Tesla's public testing of beta quality industrial control software and Uber's attempt to lilypad jump across the backs of financially unsophisticated drivers are contemptible. I'd be very glad to see neither strategy actually work in the end.

Isn't waymo already partnering with Uber on offering rideshares in different markets?

Sure. Can you describe what leverage Uber actually has in those partnerships? That's a deal of convenience for Waymo, trading a bit of margin for some velocity. It (or similar deals) are downright existential to Uber.

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Post by jimbob45 »

jes5199 wrote: post #8

Toyota has been way, way behind on electrification. I suspect they’ve been Innovator’s Dilemma’d are are in a death spiral that they haven’t even noticed yet

https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/1jzzanf/a...

Wow, you’re more right than I thought. Ford is way higher than I would have thought too.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by linkregister »

jes5199 wrote: post #8

Toyota has been way, way behind on electrification. I suspect they’ve been Innovator’s Dilemma’d are are in a death spiral that they haven’t even noticed yet

The electric Toyota bZ4X is marketed in Japan, Australia, US, Canada, Europe, and China as the Subaru Solterra.

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Post by OJFord »

matt3210 wrote: post #30

If I can’t sleep while it drives me to work it’s not autonomous

That's what I want to, but I don't think it's really a fair complaint given that this has been reasonably well defined. What we both want is 'L5' (level five) autonomy, where the vehicle doesn't even need the ability to be manually driven necessarily.

(L4 iirc is hands-off but someone in the driver's seat (which must therefore exist) in a fit state to take over if necessary - no sleeping on the way in, no drinking on the way home.)

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by sidibe »

ajmurmann wrote: post #38
dekhn wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Toyota makes hybrids that are excellent. I don't think they want to go full EV.

What is their beef with full-EV? First it was hydrogen fuel cells and now limitation to hybrid. Seems odd at best.

I think they've just never liked the range. They're waiting for solid state batteries to work at that scale

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Post by overstay8930 »

jes5199 wrote: post #8

Toyota has been way, way behind on electrification. I suspect they’ve been Innovator’s Dilemma’d are are in a death spiral that they haven’t even noticed yet

Hybrids are barely mainstream and are growing faster than EVs, Toyota doesn't have anything to worry about for a long time.

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Post by chipgap98 »

sorcerer-mar wrote: post #41
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't waymo already partnering with Uber on offering rideshares in different markets?

Sure. Can you describe what leverage Uber actually has in those partnerships? That's a deal of convenience for Waymo, trading a bit of margin for some velocity. It (or similar deals) are downright existential to Uber.

Uber is acting as an aggregator for all types of rides. Customers have the direct relationship with Uber. Unless Waymo completely runs away with autonomous driving then I think Uber has a lot of leverage.

Re: Waymo and Toyota outline partnership to advance autonomous driving deployment

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Post by throwaway48476 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #19
sorcerer-mar wrote: post #13

The world would be a lot better off if Tesla and Uber get smoked on this. Tesla's public testing of beta quality industrial control software and Uber's attempt to lilypad jump across the backs of financially unsophisticated drivers are contemptible. I'd be very glad to see neither strategy actually work in the end.

Isn't waymo already partnering with Uber on offering rideshares in different markets?

Its just an advertising relationship.
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