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California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy

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Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy

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Post by captainmuon »

It's funny that the list includes both California and the US.

It would be interesting to compare economies of the same scale, regardless of legal status: If you are considering the US and China, maybe you should include the whole of the EU. And if you are looking at Germany, Japan, ... It makes sense to not only include California, but also to split up other countries. I'm curious how high up Guandong or Shanghai would be for example.

The fact that the US and China show up as single countries (and not "continents"/regions) whereas the EU shows up as a bunch of "small" countries is source of a lot of inferiority complex in Europe.

Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy

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Post by fifilura »

smallnix wrote: post #23
Afforess wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California should acquire some nuclear weapons then.

I doubt its realistic for powerful states like California to cecede. Is there a path from here to a near (think 50 years) future, where California and the US, sans California, exist?

I don't want the US to break up.

But I wonder if it wouldn't be more healthy for you if the states grew a bit more independent.

It would give the president less power to decide exactly how schools and universities should be run or would open up for social welfare reforms in the states that want it.

Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy

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Post by Axsuul »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #16

The title almost implies that CA had some unnatural acceleration to put it past japan. I think it's more that japan has been declining. This won't last once the US population starts declining. We've been held afloat by immigration but even that's running out. Japan was ahead of the curve in terms of modernity. Looking at them is almost like looking at our own future.

The US has immigration

Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy

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Post by kryptiskt »

suraci wrote: post #2

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California's economy is so big because it's part of the American economy. California gets credited for Google, but most of the suckers clicking on ads and making Google rich aren't in California, most of Google's workers aren't in California. Cutting off California from that would be way dumber than Brexit.

Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy

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Post by Angostura »

Afforess wrote: post #13
pavlov wrote: post #12

California’s GDP is now twice as large as Russia’s. Yet the President of the United States seems to spend a lot of time trying to make Russians happy, and zero time making Californians happy.

California should acquire some nuclear weapons then.

or some kompromat

Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy

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Post by platevoltage »

dyauspitr wrote: post #37
Manfred wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tying economic output to political power gets hairy pretty quickly. You incentivize states to put economic outcome before the wellbeing of the citizens and give states with rare natural resources more power than those that rely on value produced by a workforce.

Tying population to political power definitely makes sense though.

I wouldn't say the US Senate and Electoral College make much sense.

Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy

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Post by b112 »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #22
Afforess wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California should acquire some nuclear weapons then.

All our GDP is in software. We don't know how to make anything except AI and web apps. We wouldn't know what to do with a nuke.

Incredibly wrong.

Hollywood is still a thing. Manufacturing, yes manufacturing. Agriculture. The Bay Area is a fraction of that GDP, and a small geographical part of California.

Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy

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Post by stouset »

RobRivera wrote: post #30
smallnix wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt its realistic for powerful states like California to cecede. Is there a path from here to a near (think 50 years) future, where California and the US, sans California, exist?

I don't think cessation was the implication

Secession.

Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy

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Post by Axsuul »

iagooar wrote: post #14
up2isomorphism wrote: post #9

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I have probably never felt more insecure (and disgusted at the same time) in a Western country, the way I felt on the streets of LA. Not all of them, of course, some are obviously well guarded - which in turn makes me think the government and city council is not doing a great job really. Is the situation as bad in San Francisco?

LA is gigantic. There are more safe streets there than most major cities in the world.

Re: California overtakes Japan to become the world's fourth largest economy

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Post by cenamus »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #22
Afforess wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California should acquire some nuclear weapons then.

All our GDP is in software. We don't know how to make anything except AI and web apps. We wouldn't know what to do with a nuke.

In that case, all of Russia GDP is oil and natural gas
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