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Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by colonial »

weird-eye-issue wrote: post #27
colonial wrote: post #15

> A note on our fair-use policy > Basically our policy states that you can use AI models based on your plan’s value. Although I likely won't use Assistant, stuff like this is why I love Kagi. My relationship with them as a customer feels refreshingly transparent; I can't think of any other consumer SaaS provider that automatically answers my reflexive "how does this make money?" question. (Compare, say, Discord. It's…

I've paid for a monthly subscription with Discord for years They also have ads in the app and they have other monetization features...

Revenue != profit. Discord, like almost every 2010s SaaS startup, has revenue (from your Nitro) - but not nearly enough to cover expenses.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by TekMol »

"Privacy by default"

I don't know. To me, requiring me to give them my email and then having all my searches associated with that email is the opposite of privacy to me.

Yes, Google, Bing, Perplexity and Co could do fingerprinting and try fuzzy matching to cluster my searches. But at least that would be fuzzy and against the law in many places. While with Kagi, every search of mine would be clearly labeled as coming from me.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by qwertox »

I was given a free month of Kagi to test, and it had so many rough edges that during the last days of of the trial I was already using Google again.

Notable issues for me:

- maps (from Mapbox) are really bad. Sluggish performance and lack of information

- barely any info boxes

- no translation feature ("gründonnerstag englisch") gives me links to leo.org (which was a cool site in the 00s) and to other sites, but Google gives me a translation box with the result

- no timezone calculations: "10 am PT" in Kagi: "= 10 Pt am (metric petaton attometers)" in Google: "10:00 Freitag Pacific Time (PT) entspricht 19:00 Freitag in ..."

- no search history, which is sometimes really useful to have

Other than that, the search results are really good.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by dharmab »

TekMol wrote: post #44

"Privacy by default" I don't know. To me, requiring me to give them my email and then having all my searches associated with that email is the opposite of privacy to me. Yes, Google, Bing, Perplexity and Co could do fingerprinting and try fuzzy matching to cluster my searches. But at least that would be fuzzy and against the law in many places. While with Kagi, every search of mine would be clearly labeled as coming…

There is a feature where you can search anonymously, using IETF's Privacy Pass standard: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by fancy_pantser »

TekMol wrote: post #44

"Privacy by default" I don't know. To me, requiring me to give them my email and then having all my searches associated with that email is the opposite of privacy to me. Yes, Google, Bing, Perplexity and Co could do fingerprinting and try fuzzy matching to cluster my searches. But at least that would be fuzzy and against the law in many places. While with Kagi, every search of mine would be clearly labeled as coming…

Maybe their privacy pass is useful then?

https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by TekMol »

dharmab wrote: post #46
TekMol wrote: post #44

"Privacy by default" I don't know. To me, requiring me to give them my email and then having all my searches associated with that email is the opposite of privacy to me. Yes, Google, Bing, Perplexity and Co could do fingerprinting and try fuzzy matching to cluster my searches. But at least that would be fuzzy and against the law in many places. While with Kagi, every search of mine would be clearly labeled as coming…

There is a feature where you can search anonymously, using IETF's Privacy Pass standard: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html

That looks super complicated. And hard to tell if the cryptography works as intended.

Why would I go through all that hassle if I can just type my query directly in other search engines?

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

qwertox wrote: post #45

I was given a free month of Kagi to test, and it had so many rough edges that during the last days of of the trial I was already using Google again. Notable issues for me: - maps (from Mapbox) are really bad. Sluggish performance and lack of information - barely any info boxes - no translation feature ("gründonnerstag englisch") gives me links to leo.org (which was a cool site in the 00s) and to other sites, but Goog…

> Other than that, the search results are really good.

I'm confused why anything else would matter. For example, I'll readily admit that Kagi maps sucks compared to Google maps. But I just use Google for map stuff, and use Kagi for searching. It doesn't seem like a big deal to me that it's a tool which does one thing and does it well.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by msdz »

qwertox wrote: post #45

I was given a free month of Kagi to test, and it had so many rough edges that during the last days of of the trial I was already using Google again. Notable issues for me: - maps (from Mapbox) are really bad. Sluggish performance and lack of information - barely any info boxes - no translation feature ("gründonnerstag englisch") gives me links to leo.org (which was a cool site in the 00s) and to other sites, but Goog…

While I'm aware this is a case of "you're holding it wrong" – !translate should do the trick. And that's not an excuse for not having better detection for when an info box should exist, because they do have them, especially for, but not limited to the WolframAlpha integration stuff. (For example, a friend and fellow user was awed when searching "internet speed test" and saw it integrated, no idea if Google has that too though).

Other than that, make sure your region/locale is set correctly (I'm not getting the metric petaton, for example), and for everything else, they have an excellent feedback forum for suggestions/bug reports.

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