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Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

#41
post #14

What is wrong with OpenAI? The naming of their models seems like it is intentionally confusing - maybe to distract from lack of progress? Honestly, I have no idea which model to use for simply everyday tasks anymore.

It really is bizarre. If you had asked me 2 days ago I would have said unequivically that these models already existed. Surely given the rate of change a date-based numbering system would be more helpful?

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

#42
post #20

Surprisingly, they didn't provide a comparison to Sonnet 3.7 or Gemini Pro 2.5—probably because, while both are impressive, they're only slightly better by comparison. Lets see what the pricing looks like.

They didn't provide a comparison either in the GPT-4.1 release and quite a few past releases, which is telling of their attitude as an org.

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

#44

As a consumer, it is so exhausting keeping up with what model I should or can be using for the task I want to accomplish.

I asked OpenAI how to choose the right USB cable for my device. Now the objects around me are shimmering and winking out of existence, one by one. Help

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

#45
o3 is cheaper than o1. (per 1M tokens)

• o3 Pricing:

  - Input: $10.00  

  - Cached Input: $2.50  

  - Output: $40.00
• o1 Pricing:

  - Input: $15.00  

  - Cached Input: $7.50  

  - Output: $60.00
o4-mini pricing remains the same as o3-mini.

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

#47

As a consumer, it is so exhausting keeping up with what model I should or can be using for the task I want to accomplish.

It's becoming a bit like iphone 3, 4... 13, 25... Ok they are all phones that run apps and have a camera. I'm not an "AI power user", but I do talk to ChatGPT + Grok for daily tasks and use copilot. The big step function happened when they could search the web but not much else has changed in my limited experience.

This is a very apt analogy.

It confers to the speaker confirmation they're absolutely right - names are arbitrary.

While also politely, implicitly, pointing out the core issue is it doesn't matter to you --- which is fine! --- but it may just be contributing to dull conversation to be the 10th person to say as much.

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

#48
post #21

It's pretty frustrating to see a press release with "Try on ChatGPT" and then not see the models available even though I'm paying them $200/mo.

They're supposed to be released today for everyone, and o3-pro for Pro users in a few weeks:

"ChatGPT Plus, Pro, and Team users will see o3, o4-mini, and o4-mini-high in the model selector starting today, replacing o1, o3‑mini, and o3‑mini‑high."

with rate limits unchanged

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

#49
A suggestion for OpenAI to create more meaningful model names:

{Size}-{Quarter/Year}-{Speed/Accuracy}-{Specialty}

Where:

* Size is XS/S/M/L/XL/XXL to indicate overall capability level

* Quarter/Year like Q2-25

* Speed/Accuracy indicated as Fast/Balanced/Precise

* Optional specialty tag like Code/Vision/Science/etc

Example model names:

* L-Q2-25-Fast-Code (Large model from Q2 2025, optimized for speed, specializes in coding)

* M-Q4-24-Balanced (Medium model from Q4 2024, balanced speed/accuracy)

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

#50
post #14

What is wrong with OpenAI? The naming of their models seems like it is intentionally confusing - maybe to distract from lack of progress? Honestly, I have no idea which model to use for simply everyday tasks anymore.

I tend to look at the lmarena leaderboard to see what to use (or the aider polyglot leaderboard for coding)
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