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Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

#41
ChatGPT currently recommends I use o3-mini-high ("great at coding and logic") when I start a code conversation with 4o.

I don't understand why the comparison in the announcement talks so much about comparing with 4o's coding abilities to 4.1. Wouldn't the relevant comparison be to o3-mini-high?

4.1 costs a lot more than o3-mini-high, so this seems like a pertinent thing for them to have addressed here. Maybe I am misunderstanding the relationship between the models?

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

#42
Very important note:

>Note that GPT‑4.1 will only be available via the API. In ChatGPT, many of the improvements in instruction following, coding, and intelligence have been gradually incorporated into the latest version

If anyone here doesn't know, OpenAI does offer the ChatGPT model version in the API as chatgpt-4o-latest, but it's bad because they continuously update it so businesses can't reliably rely on it being stable, that's why OpenAI made GPT 4.1.

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

#43

GPT-4.1 probably is a distilled version of GPT-4.5 I dont understand the constant complaining about naming conventions. The number system differentiates the models based on capability, any other method would not do that. After ten models with random names like "gemini", "nebula" you would have no idea which is which. Its a low IQ take. You dont name new versions of software as completely different software Also, Yest…

> I don't understand the constant complaining about naming conventions.

Oh man. Unfolding my lawn chair and grabbing a bucket of popcorn for this discussion.

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

#44

> Note that GPT‑4.1 will only be available via the API. In ChatGPT, many of the improvements in instruction following, coding, and intelligence have been gradually incorporated into the latest version (opens in a new window) of GPT‑4o, and we will continue to incorporate more with future releases. The lack of availability in ChatGPT is disappointing, and they're playing on ambiguity here. They are framing this as if…

I disagree. From the average user perspective, it's quite confusing to see half a dozen models to choose from in the UI. In an ideal world, ChatGPT would just abstract away the decision. So I don't need to be an expert in the relatively minor differences between each model to have a good experience.

Vs in the API, I want to have very strict versioning of the models I'm using. And so letting me run by own evals and pick the model that works best.

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

#45
post #29

GPT-4.1 probably is a distilled version of GPT-4.5 I dont understand the constant complaining about naming conventions. The number system differentiates the models based on capability, any other method would not do that. After ten models with random names like "gemini", "nebula" you would have no idea which is which. Its a low IQ take. You dont name new versions of software as completely different software Also, Yest…

> The number system differentiates the models based on capability, any other method would not do that. Please rank GPT-4, GPT-4 Turbo, GPT-4o, GPT-4.1-nano, GPT-4.1-mini, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.5, o1-mini, o1, o1 pro, o3-mini, o3-mini-high, o3, and o4-mini in terms of capability without consulting any documentation.

Btw, as someone who agrees with your point, what’s the actual answer to this?

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

#46
post #29

GPT-4.1 probably is a distilled version of GPT-4.5 I dont understand the constant complaining about naming conventions. The number system differentiates the models based on capability, any other method would not do that. After ten models with random names like "gemini", "nebula" you would have no idea which is which. Its a low IQ take. You dont name new versions of software as completely different software Also, Yest…

> The number system differentiates the models based on capability, any other method would not do that. Please rank GPT-4, GPT-4 Turbo, GPT-4o, GPT-4.1-nano, GPT-4.1-mini, GPT-4.1, GPT-4.5, o1-mini, o1, o1 pro, o3-mini, o3-mini-high, o3, and o4-mini in terms of capability without consulting any documentation.

There's no single ordering -- it really depends on what you're trying to do, how long you're willing to wait, and what kinds of modalities you're interested in.

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

#47
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> using v0, I replicated a full nextjs UI copying a major saas player. No backend integration, but the design and UX were stunning AI is amazing, now all you need to create a stunning UI is for someone else to make it first so an AI can rip it off. Not beating the "plagiarism machine" allegations here.

Heres a secret: Most of the highest funded VC backed software companies are just copying a competitor with a slight product spin/different pricing model

Got any examples?

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

#48

Very important note: >Note that GPT‑4.1 will only be available via the API. In ChatGPT, many of the improvements in instruction following, coding, and intelligence have been gradually incorporated into the latest version If anyone here doesn't know, OpenAI does offer the ChatGPT model version in the API as chatgpt-4o-latest, but it's bad because they continuously update it so businesses can't reliably rely on it bein…

So you're saying that "ChatGPT-4o-latest (2025-03-26)" in LMarena is 4.1?

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

#49

> Note that GPT‑4.1 will only be available via the API. In ChatGPT, many of the improvements in instruction following, coding, and intelligence have been gradually incorporated into the latest version (opens in a new window) of GPT‑4o, and we will continue to incorporate more with future releases. The lack of availability in ChatGPT is disappointing, and they're playing on ambiguity here. They are framing this as if…

There's a HUGE difference that you are not mentioning: there are "gpt-4o" and "chatgpt-4o-latest" on the API. The former is the stable version (there are a few snapshot but the newest snapshot has been there for a while), and the latter is the fine-tuned version that they often update on ChatGPT. All those benchmarks were done for the API stable version of GPT-4o, since that's what businesses rely on, not on "chatgpt-4o-latest".

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

#50
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> using v0, I replicated a full nextjs UI copying a major saas player. No backend integration, but the design and UX were stunning AI is amazing, now all you need to create a stunning UI is for someone else to make it first so an AI can rip it off. Not beating the "plagiarism machine" allegations here.

Heres a secret: Most of the highest funded VC backed software companies are just copying a competitor with a slight product spin/different pricing model

Exactly, they like to call it “bringing new energy to an old industry”.
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