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Mario Vargas Llosa has died

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Re: Mario Vargas Llosa has died

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Post by MaxHoppersGhost »

next_xibalba wrote: post #21
briandear wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fairly biased article: “In 2018, he celebrated Lula’s imprisonment in Brazil on dubious corruption charges, and the following year exulted in the right-wing coup that deposed Evo Morales in Bolivia. Since then he has voiced his support for far-right candidates such as José Antonio Kast in Chile and Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil…” “Dubious” charges against Lula? — He was convicted of accepting a seaside apartment as a brib…

The media's use of the the term "far right" for democratically elected politicians is actually a really useful tell. They are unintentionally signaling how biased they are. Either: "This politician, who received millions of votes is very far right of me (I am very far to the left)." Or: "I am the center of the left-right spectrum, and this politician who received millions of votes is quite a ways to the right of me (…

Are there any conservative leaders that the media doesn't call "far right"?

Re: Mario Vargas Llosa has died

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Post by solarexplorer »

JadeNB wrote: post #28
dhosek wrote: post #23

I realized last night that I’ve never read anything by him in translation (there was one book in English— A Writer’s Reality —which was in English, but that book was based on lectures given in English and there is no Spanish original. As my ex-wife often says, “No good reason to read the translation if you can read the original.” La Fiesta de la Chivo influenced the form of the novel I’m currently querying (which, de…

> The biggest challenge I found reading Vargas Llosa is that section and chapter breaks tend to be infrequent giving fewer opportunities to pause while reading. I don't mean to be snarky, but, seriously, can't you just pause whenever you want? I understand that the lack of breaks mean that the book doesn't define natural points to pause, but it still seems that one can impose such breaks oneself.

Yes, in theory you can pause at any point, but in practice it is not that easy to stop. I remember not hearing the boarding call and losing a flight while reading La fiesta del chivo…

Re: Mario Vargas Llosa has died

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Post by wklauss »

MaxHoppersGhost wrote: post #41
next_xibalba wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The media's use of the the term "far right" for democratically elected politicians is actually a really useful tell. They are unintentionally signaling how biased they are. Either: "This politician, who received millions of votes is very far right of me (I am very far to the left)." Or: "I am the center of the left-right spectrum, and this politician who received millions of votes is quite a ways to the right of me (…

Are there any conservative leaders that the media doesn't call "far right"?

the majority of them.

Re: Mario Vargas Llosa has died

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Post by hybrid_study »

ErneX wrote: post #22
hybrid_study wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"La Fiesta del Chivo" brilliantly captures the vibrant essence of Dominican mannerisms and the melodic rhythm of the Spanish accent, instantly transporting me back to the DR. Beyond its rich cultural portrayal, the novel masterfully unfolds its gripping subject matter with unforgettable power. Que en paz descanze.

*descanse

zhank you

Re: Mario Vargas Llosa has died

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Post by thiagoharry »

briandear wrote: post #15
l3x wrote: post #13

Recent article on him in the London Review of Books, exploring his rightward turn as he grew older: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v47/n05/tony-wood/why-did-he...

Fairly biased article: “In 2018, he celebrated Lula’s imprisonment in Brazil on dubious corruption charges, and the following year exulted in the right-wing coup that deposed Evo Morales in Bolivia. Since then he has voiced his support for far-right candidates such as José Antonio Kast in Chile and Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil…” “Dubious” charges against Lula? — He was convicted of accepting a seaside apartment as a brib…

> Dubious” charges against Lula? — He was convicted of accepting a seaside apartment as a bribe for helping the OAS construction company get lucrative deals with state oil firm Petrobras.

Yes, since nobody yet proved that the apartment was Lula's apartment. And tt was discovered several problems with Lula's charges, which was judged by a person that later was rewarded by Bolsonaro with a job as minister.

> Also Bolsonaro was termed “far right,” but Lula not called “far left?”

Lula is not far left, but center left. He is a social democrat at best, not a communist.

Re: Mario Vargas Llosa has died

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Post by derektank »

simiones wrote: post #31
briandear wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fairly biased article: “In 2018, he celebrated Lula’s imprisonment in Brazil on dubious corruption charges, and the following year exulted in the right-wing coup that deposed Evo Morales in Bolivia. Since then he has voiced his support for far-right candidates such as José Antonio Kast in Chile and Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil…” “Dubious” charges against Lula? — He was convicted of accepting a seaside apartment as a brib…

Lula's convictions were all overturned by the Supreme Court, so no, we shouldn't believe that he did the things he is accused of. Note that Bolsanaro was already in power when this happened, so there is little reason to suspect him of wielding power over the courts or anything like that. And just because you're opposing a far right extremist like Bolsanaro doesn't make you a far left politician. For example, Le Pen i…

>Bolsanaro was already in power when this happened, so there is little reason to suspect him of wielding power over the courts or anything like that.

Bolsonaro had only made one appointment to the Supreme Federal Court at the time of the judgement in favor of Lula in 2021, while 7 of the 11 had been appointed by Lula or Dilma Rousseff. Yes, Lula was not in a position to pressure the supreme court as president but I don't think one should assume he had zero influence either. I'm not intimately familiar with Brazilian politics though and wouldn't want to unfairly imply any of the judges were in any way corrupt so I'll just leave it at that.

Re: Mario Vargas Llosa has died

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Post by owebmaster »

tirant wrote: post #26
l3x wrote: post #13

Recent article on him in the London Review of Books, exploring his rightward turn as he grew older: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v47/n05/tony-wood/why-did-he...

Many prominent figures in Latin America and Spain turned away from socialist and communist positions after experiencing their effects: Guillermo Cabrera Infante, Octavio Paz (also Nobel Prize), Fernando Savater, Jorge Edwards, Jorge Luis Borges, Teodoro Petkoff...

Where were they from? As a South American I'm having difficult figuring out which country is socialist in this continent. Venezuela?

Re: Mario Vargas Llosa has died

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Post by owebmaster »

briandear wrote: post #15
l3x wrote: post #13

Recent article on him in the London Review of Books, exploring his rightward turn as he grew older: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v47/n05/tony-wood/why-did-he...

Fairly biased article: “In 2018, he celebrated Lula’s imprisonment in Brazil on dubious corruption charges, and the following year exulted in the right-wing coup that deposed Evo Morales in Bolivia. Since then he has voiced his support for far-right candidates such as José Antonio Kast in Chile and Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil…” “Dubious” charges against Lula? — He was convicted of accepting a seaside apartment as a brib…

> "Dubious” charges against Lula? — He was convicted of accepting a seaside apartment as a bribe for helping the OAS construction company get lucrative deals with state oil firm Petrobras

is it also called a bribe when someone pay for it? I think it is called lawfare

> Also Bolsonaro was termed “far right,” but Lula not called “far left?”

Is lula exalting Stalin and trying to install a proletariat dictatorship?

Re: Mario Vargas Llosa has died

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Post by vault »

billfor wrote: post #30
SettembreNero wrote: post #24

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there's nothing dubious about Le Pen, she was found guilty of embezzlement for €3millions of public funds.

It’s not dubious but it’s not equal justice. The head of the IMF, Christine Lagarde, was found guilty of transferring €403 million from EU taxpayers to a certain tycoon, but she did not receive a verdict and now runs the ECB.

Don't forget Salvini's party, that stole at least 49M between 2008 and 2010. Nothing bad happened: they just have to return them, 600k per year, for 70 years. It's calculated that the final real value of the returned money will be less than 20M. Absolute scandal.
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