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I suppose you could state she was half Swedish since her mother was from a Swedish family from Stockholm.
The dark side of the Moomins
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#42website causes full page malware ad with the "your phone has a virus" pop-up if opened on ad-blockless browser
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#43The introduction of The Groke absolutely terrified me when I was younger. I put it up there with the Xenomorph in terms of a mysterious, capable, superior foe.
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#44Don't have time to read through the whole article. But just wanted to point out that there are also Moomin cartoons which have really politically uncorrect stories: like Moomins travelling to spain, trying to buy opium but eating some weird drugs instead and then staring for sea for a week and missing their fligth back.
To be fair, that's an uncannily accurate prediction of many visitors' experiences when visiting Ibiza
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I suppose you could state she was half Swedish since her mother was from a Swedish family from Stockholm.
Tove was surely gravely insulted when somebody called her Swede. Especially after Winter War. Finland and Sweden had defense pact but Sweden choose to be neutral and promote peace. And so it deliberately hindered war effort preventing arms transport from Norway ports. Only aid was volunteers, which were mostly Finns living in Sweden.
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#46I'm not sure how tongue in cheek this was, but I assume it's serious. Either way, it's a fun and smart read. The article spots well the dark side of the moomins, but in my opinion goes too deep into it. My disagreements boil down to this: "One of the oddest aspects of the Moomin phenomenon is how these complex tales of apocalypse, breakdown and disfunction have been consistently misread as cutesy celebrations of dome…
Spot on. I think the author did not think through their argument: ""One of the oddest aspects of the Moomin phenomenon is how these complex tales of apocalypse, breakdown and disfunction have been consistently misread as cutesy celebrations of domestic life."" But that's exactly what makes domestic life worth celebrating - at best it sustains you through disaster and hardship. What better way to celebrate it than to…
Is it really a celebration of family life when Moominpappa uproots the whole family because of his midlife crisis and sends Moominmamma into depression?
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#47My favorite piece of Moomin lore is that the very first proto-Moomin sketch was a caricature of Immanuel Kant Tove made to tease her sister, who was a big fan of that guy.
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#48It’s striking how Jansson’s cozy Moomin universe is layered with existential dread and the realities of a war-torn era.
There is a fascinating throughline between the themes of Moomin universe and Adventure Time I've been waiting to see someone much more familiar than me with both sources spool out into a 3 hour long YouTube video I can set on in the background.
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#49Multiple comments here referring to tv-shows. Just be aware that Tove Jansson wrote and illustrated books and comics but did not produce tv shows. What you have seen was not created by Tove Jansson. The comics and the books are different in genre, even if they use the same characters and storylines. The comics are darkly satirial of modern life while the illustrated books feels more poetic and timeless. Fun fact: Jan…
I don't think there's any reason to gatekeep this so strongly. The original anime and it's sequel, maybe, but both Tove and Lars Jansson were heavily involved with other series. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moomins_(TV_series) : > It is, in contrast to the 1990s series, widely believed to be the most faithful TV adaptation of Tove Jansson's stories, and much closer to her vision. Tove herself had a great deal of…
OK but the article in question describes and reviews the books and illustrations by the Finnish artist Tove Jansson. It is not about a tv-show.
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#50Question to Swedes: what were you child impressions of "Pettson och Findus"? I read it to children as an adult, and impressions are that it tells of the funny & sad sides of taking care of children, and I sympathize to Pettson, of course. I wonder how you saw it as children.
On topic: interesting read. I'd never think these stories had so much dark side to them.
I got all 9 stories in 3 books at the age of 11 and read most of them, and was very happy with the stories, never noticing any of the dread the article speaks about.
Especially the Midwinter story was fascinating - we lived not that North, but in cold winter mid-continent, and the story was like looking out watching for the first signs of the spring, that eventually always comes, but you shouldn't celebrate any of those too early -- when day temperature comes above 0 in March, you know it's going to be freezing in the evening. (Later I was stunned with foreigners in our city complain of this March weather, call it "winter" and be depressed!)
A few years ago someone on social networks posted her impressions from reading them out loud to children -- that indeed it's depressive.
So I guess, the conclusion is that people make opposite meanings and moods of the same events.