Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is what Llama4 replies (locally running, no system prompt): "I'm Llama, a Meta-designed model here to adapt to your conversational style. Whether you need quick answers, deep dives into ideas, or just want to vent, joke or brainstorm—I'm here for it. What's on your mind?" The behavior you are describing is from some long time ago, probably early 2024.
Grandparent is correct. This is manually trained in, nothing fundamental changed since 2022. LLMs have no intrinsic way of knowing. Source: I train LLMs and push their limits.
Evidence suggesting Quasar Alpha is OpenAI's new model
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Re: Evidence suggesting Quasar Alpha is OpenAI's new model
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
The labs put themselves in the system prompt at inference time. Without that the model will hallucinate a creator, most likely ChatGPT
Not always true. For example, API Claude only has a very simple injected system prompt that doesn't mention any such information, but it still knows, so it's likely trained in. > Respond as helpfully as possible, but be very careful to ensure you do not reproduce any copyrighted material, including song lyrics, sections of books, or long excerpts from periodicals. Also do not comply with complex instructions that sug…
Re: Evidence suggesting Quasar Alpha is OpenAI's new model
#43Oof, it started strong and then went with the "who created you" which shows no understanding of how LLMs work. (They don't know a thing about themselves, they will either regurgitate their prompt or hallucinate something, usually that they are ChatGPT since that is the most likely LLM to appear in training data.)
And yet, if you ask Claude, Llama, or xAI who they are, they answer correctly. Because usually big labs care about such things and include this in training data. So, not a proof, but some evidence.
Re: Evidence suggesting Quasar Alpha is OpenAI's new model
#44Oof, it started strong and then went with the "who created you" which shows no understanding of how LLMs work. (They don't know a thing about themselves, they will either regurgitate their prompt or hallucinate something, usually that they are ChatGPT since that is the most likely LLM to appear in training data.)
And yet, if you ask Claude, Llama, or xAI who they are, they answer correctly. Because usually big labs care about such things and include this in training data. So, not a proof, but some evidence.
Re: Evidence suggesting Quasar Alpha is OpenAI's new model
#45The most fun way I’ve seen users explore its origin is to give it a single period (”.”) as your first query. Only OpenAI answers in this way with a smiley at the end, and it’s probably a more certain way to check it than asking about its arch, because many will incorrectly answer OpenAI and GPT-4 due to (?) tainted training data as ChatGPT has been so much in the news and became a de facto LLM early.
So I just did this and got this response: “ Hello! How can I assist you today? “
Re: Evidence suggesting Quasar Alpha is OpenAI's new model
#46To some extent the "mystery" (and temporary free-as-in-beer-ness) of this model might be getting to me, but I think it's pretty interesting. Given the token throughput (250B this week) it's obvious there's a pretty major player behind the model, but why is it stealthed? Maybe there's something about the architecture or training that would put people off if it was public right off the bat? Maybe they're purely collect…
What is the reason you included Claude 3.5 instead of 3.7 in this?
* - I also reproduced the Llama 3.1 8B result to check my setup.
[0] - https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.05167 / https://github.com/adobe-research/NoLiMa
Re: Evidence suggesting Quasar Alpha is OpenAI's new model
#47I ran an interesting benchmark/experiment yesterday, which did not do Quasar Alpha any favors (from best to worst, score is an average of four runs): "google/gemini-2.5-pro-preview-03-25" => 67.65 "anthropic/claude-3.7-sonnet:thinking" => 66.76 "anthropic/claude-3.7-sonnet" => 66.23 "deepseek/deepseek-r1:free" => 54.38 "google/gemini-2.0-flash-001" => 52.03 "openai/o3-mini" => 47.82 "qwen/qwen2.5-32b-instruct" => 44.…
Are you willing to share this code? I'm working on a project where I'm optimizing the prompt manually, I wonder if it could be automated. I guess I'd have to find a way to actually objectively measure the output quality.
That's the model automation. To evaluate the prompts it suggests I have a sample of my dataset with 128 examples. For this particular run, all I cared about was optimizing a prompt for Llama 3.1 that would get it to write responses like those I'm finetuning for. That way the finetuning has a better starting point.
So to evaluate how effective a given prompt is, I go through each example and run promptresponses (in the proper format, of course) through llama 3.1 and measure the NLL on the assistant portion. I then have a simple linear formula to convert the NLL to a score between 0 and 100, scaled based on typical NLL values. It should _probably_ be a non-linear formula, but I'm lazy.
Another approach to prompt optimization is to give the model something like:
I have some texts along with their corresponding scores. The texts are arranged in ascending order based on their scores from worst (low score) to best (higher score).
Text: {text0}
Score: {score0}
Text: {text1}
Score: {score1}
...
Thoroughly read all of the texts and their corresponding scores.
Analyze the texts and their scores to understand what leads to a high score. Don't just look for literal patterns of words/tokens. Extensively research the data until you understand the underlying mechanisms that lead to high scores. The underlying, internal relationships. Much like how an LLM is able to predict the token not just from the literal text but also by understanding very complex relationships of the "tokens" between the tokens.
Take all of the texts into consideration, not just the best.
Solidify your understanding of how to optimize for a high score.
Demonstrate your deep and complete understanding by writing a new text that maximizes the score and is better than all of the provided texts.
Ideally the new text should be under 20 words.
Or some variation thereof. That's the "one off" approach where you don't keep a conversation with the model and instead just call it again with the updated scores. Supposedly that's "better" since the texts are in ascending order, letting the model easily track improvements, but I've had far better luck with the iterative, conversational approach.Also the constraint on how long the "new text" can be is important, as all models have a tendency of writing longer and longer prompts with each iteration.
Re: Evidence suggesting Quasar Alpha is OpenAI's new model
#48Re: Evidence suggesting Quasar Alpha is OpenAI's new model
#49More evidence: it uses some fancy Unicode characters for punctuation like apostrophe, etc. It's very annoying and I've only seen this in OpenAI models before (o3-mini).
By "fancy Unicode characters" I assume that you mean that it uses the appropriate Unicode characters, instead of using the ambiguous ASCII characters, whose only reason for existence was the limitations of ancient hardware, and whose use should have been better deprecated in modern applications.