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More than 1,500 new fonts – including all-time favorites – come to Adobe Fonts

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Re: More than 1,500 new fonts – including all-time favorites – come to Adobe Fonts

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Post by mediumsmart »

duskwuff wrote: post #10
rudedogg wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always wonder how the licensing works with stuff like this. Say I create a logo with one of these fonts, and immediately cancel afterword. Do I get to continue using the logo? Or is my license to the font technically revoked? Also, font licensing elsewhere sucks for making native applications. They have this bizarre price structure where for web it's cheap, but if you want to embed it in an App it's 10x the price.…

> Say I create a logo with one of these fonts, and immediately cancel afterword. Do I get to continue using the logo? Or is my license to the font technically revoked? From the perspective of US copyright law, a font file is an odd sort of computer program that generates shapes. The program is copyrighted, but the shapes it outputs are not. Indeed, US copyright law explicitly states that typefaces - i.e. the shapes p…

You have to turn it into a path anyways or the program can't show the logo when the subscription is cancelled and the font is no longer available.

Re: More than 1,500 new fonts – including all-time favorites – come to Adobe Fonts

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Post by chrisandchris »

jamestimmins wrote: post #7
booi wrote: post #3

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Nono it’s $416/mo. And if you terminate before the 12 months is over then.. yes it’s $5,000

This seems like a common misunderstanding. Lots of SaaS have cheaper annual pricing. IIUC Adobe lets you get the cheaper annual pricing and then pay for it on a monthly basis. If you cancel early, you have to pay out the rest of your annual plan. This is no different than if you'd paid for it up front, and prevents people from signing up for the annual plan to get a cheaper monthly price and then canceling early.

My last interaction with Adobe is a few years back, what I recall is:

I got tricked into the "pay monthly for annual subscription" (it was probably written there, just hidden very good). I then cancelled my subscription and instead of telling me "it runs anyway another 10 months", they let me cancel early, charging me a cancellation fee (which I only realized after it was too late) which was _higher_ than the remaining months.

Now I will never ever buy something from Adobe again.

Re: More than 1,500 new fonts – including all-time favorites – come to Adobe Fonts

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Post by tobr »

crazygringo wrote: post #37
tobr wrote: post #9

> Arial — A universal favorite for presentations and business documents Because it used to* be available out of the box, everywhere. Not because it’s such a great typeface. I can’t imagine the sequence of short-sighted enterprise design decisions that puts someone in a position where they have to use Arial through Adobe Fonts. * I guess that’s no longer true because of Android?

On the one hand, if you're editing a graphics file for a client that already uses Arial, you need Arial. Full stop. It doesn't matter if it's great or not. On the other hand, Arial is pre-installed not just on Windows, but Macs and iOS. And Adobe doesn't make e.g. Illustrator for Android or Linux. So what Creative Cloud app runs on an OS that doesn't already have Arial? What am I missing? Do they have something that…

I don’t know enough about Adobe Fonts and don’t trust their own writing about it, but it seems like it supports web. So I suppose it might be a way to get a consistently poor typographic experience on all platforms.

Re: More than 1,500 new fonts – including all-time favorites – come to Adobe Fonts

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Post by jamestimmins »

chrisandchris wrote: post #42
jamestimmins wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like a common misunderstanding. Lots of SaaS have cheaper annual pricing. IIUC Adobe lets you get the cheaper annual pricing and then pay for it on a monthly basis. If you cancel early, you have to pay out the rest of your annual plan. This is no different than if you'd paid for it up front, and prevents people from signing up for the annual plan to get a cheaper monthly price and then canceling early.

My last interaction with Adobe is a few years back, what I recall is: I got tricked into the "pay monthly for annual subscription" (it was probably written there, just hidden very good). I then cancelled my subscription and instead of telling me "it runs anyway another 10 months", they let me cancel early, charging me a cancellation fee (which I only realized after it was too late) which was _higher_ than the remaini…

Cancellation fee higher than remaining months is extremely shady.

Very possible that the current pricing/wording is the result of being sued by the DOJ.

Re: More than 1,500 new fonts – including all-time favorites – come to Adobe Fonts

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Post by hansvm »

Spooky23 wrote: post #34
beowulfey wrote: post #8

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It is a misunderstanding because Adobe deliberately obfuscates that fact when you purchase such a plan

It’s the dumbest argument ever. Find a perpetual software license or 12 month subscription that allows for cancellation for convenience. I get why some folks are angry, it was easier to pirate Adobe back in the day. If people don’t want to pay, there’s all sorts of competition in different segments of the market as well as open source.

The problem is that the 12 month contract is (a) pulled out of their ass and not reflective of the real costs for either party, and (b) until very recently not even disclosed (even in recent months, there are plenty of reports of cancellation fees from people with screenshots of having correctly chosen the monthly version). The very highest cancellation fee that makes sense is the delta between the monthly rate and what the annual rate projected on to the number of months of payment would be. If an annual subscription is cheaper because of risk or the time value of money, even that delta is a vast overestimate of Adobe's damages, and the fact that they're asking for 10x-20x is a blatant abuse of power.

> Find a perpetual software license or 12 month subscription that allows for cancellation for convenience.

All of them with Canadian customers, for example. It's a product with incremental costs and incremental value, so cancelling it (neither paying incremental costs nor forcing the service provider to do the same) makes perfect sense.

> It was easier to pirate back in the day

That's not the problem at all. Gimp is way better than the piratable photoshop ever was. It's not useful to ad hominem people who don't want to be abused.

Re: More than 1,500 new fonts – including all-time favorites – come to Adobe Fonts

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Post by kranke155 »

gnarlynarwhal42 wrote: post #38
kranke155 wrote: post #23

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It’s completely counter intuitive because most other monthly subscription software does not work like that. Also considering you need to pay for Adobe software to work in certain industries, it is absolute evil.

It isn't a monthly subscription. Its an annual subscription broken up into 12 payments. I understand that there was a lawsuit and all that, I read through part of the Adobe thread from the other day. I am not defending Adobe in that regard. If you only want the software for 2-3 months, the month-to-month agreement is available, but if you have a longer-term need for the software you get a discount for committing to a…

I had no idea a monthly subscription was even available. You have to ask the website in my region for “more details and more plans” to even see the monthly subscription.

Also because they offer “a discount” on the first year here, it’s 38€ month/yearly plan or 104€ a month/monthly.

I don’t know. If you’re going to allow Adobe to buy its competitors and monopolise entire regions of our economy, this seems a bit shit.

Re: More than 1,500 new fonts – including all-time favorites – come to Adobe Fonts

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Post by vladvasiliu »

hansvm wrote: post #45
Spooky23 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s the dumbest argument ever. Find a perpetual software license or 12 month subscription that allows for cancellation for convenience. I get why some folks are angry, it was easier to pirate Adobe back in the day. If people don’t want to pay, there’s all sorts of competition in different segments of the market as well as open source.

The problem is that the 12 month contract is (a) pulled out of their ass and not reflective of the real costs for either party, and (b) until very recently not even disclosed (even in recent months, there are plenty of reports of cancellation fees from people with screenshots of having correctly chosen the monthly version). The very highest cancellation fee that makes sense is the delta between the monthly rate and w…

I don't know about Canada, but here in France many things come as a long-term contract with monthly payments and cancelation fees. Most common which come to mind are mobile phone plans and ISP subscriptions.

Many companies still have 12 or 24 months plans, and you're on the hook for some form of penalty if you cancel before the term. And no, I'm not talking about buying a plan-subsidized phone, even "naked" plans have this.

Since some years ago, companies have started offering monthly-only plans, so you can cancel anytime. But, for some reason, there still are cancelation fees, which are fixed. What's funny, is that they also usually offer rebates if you switch providers, which usually cover those fees.

I'm not saying this is a good thing, but, at least where I live, the Adobe scheme is fairly common.

Re: More than 1,500 new fonts – including all-time favorites – come to Adobe Fonts

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Post by mechanicum »

dyauspitr wrote: post #16
Aurornis wrote: post #4

> These fonts — along with more than 30,000 others — are already included in your Adobe Creative Cloud membership. For those wondering about pricing.

Yeah but it’s a huge pain. You can only use them within the creative cloud ecosystem- so just on Adobe products.

At least on Mac, when you install them locally, Creative Cloud makes them available to every app like any other font.

They’re just regular OpenType files, albeit with “beware of the leopard” levels of filesystem obfuscation, so it’s fairly trivial to divorce them from Creative Cloud’s control if you want/need to.

And on the web, Typekit is just CSS and woff(2), so again, no (technical) impediment to doing whatever you want with them.

Re: More than 1,500 new fonts – including all-time favorites – come to Adobe Fonts

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Post by JKCalhoun »

mistrial9 wrote: post #31
JKCalhoun wrote: post #26

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Or, like BBS's as a dumb example, time to move on.

that's a fine example - of what I am not thinking of.. BBS are online, low-res, signal not content.. whereas print fonts are high-resolution, content in themselves, and not replaced by smart phone users in 7pt squint sessions.. lacking delivery context in the discussion invites easy dismissal.. btw- support cash, coins and stamps.. you will miss them when they are gone, and the replacement can get very toxic, very qu…

You're right — a font is as still useful today as it was 30 years ago. But there is no longer a market for them. They were commoditized a long time ago. My memory of the 90's is rusty but I feel like it was a company like Bitstream that came around and so undercut the font market in a race to the bottom that, even then, it was clear that selling fonts was a dying business.
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