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Tailscale has raised $160M

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Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Post by fidotron »

mrbonner wrote: post #23

Does anybody encounter issues with DNS after installing tailscale with it's MagicDNS enabled? It drives me nuts because my entire network just stops working. I removed tailscale but still won't be able to connect to my Ubuntu server.

Yeah, I honestly couldn't get Tailscale to work reliably at all. DNS, routing, firewalls etc. My overall impression was it will work if either you go for it on your entire local subnet, or you have a very simple local network topology. Having local nodes inexplicably talking to each other via a cloud relay basically all the time just isn't acceptable. (And webrtc could always find the local candidates when doing ICE, so it's not that).

It's interesting because they have clearly demonstrated a demand for such a thing, but the "just works" pitch is a fantasy, at least today.

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Post by tonyarkles »

burningion wrote: post #15

Tailscale is a great. I think of it as a swiss army knife for easier routing and connectivity. I use it in projects to stream internet / connectivity from my phone to the NVIDIA Jetson line, making my robotics projects easily accessible / debuggable: https://github.com/burningion/bicyclist-defense-jetson?tab=r...

That was our initial use case for Tailscale as well. May 2020 we started growing a team and needed a really smooth remote access solution for a bunch of Xaviers... and we weren't allowed to be in the same room together :)

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Post by homebrewer »

aborsy wrote: post #35
geenat wrote: post #25

IMHO they should be a good steward and toss the Wireguard guy a mil considering Tailscale is pretty much Wireguard with a GUI on top.

This is not correct. Wireguard establishes a tunnel between peer A and B, and its simplicity stops there. Tailscale does tons of complex networking, filtering, nat traversal, DNS, file sharing, etc. Wireguard is a small part of the codebase today, which has grown a lot. It’s a bit like saying Dropbox is just a GUI on top of TLS.

Most of this was successfully done 20 years ago by tinc, which is a project written by a couple of European guys in their free time. It even supports routing traffic through other peers and does peer discovery just like BitTorrent (but before BitTorrent even existed) — there is no need for a central server.

What tailscale has over it is hype, lots and lots of hype. Also a much more well thought out, and arguably more secure VPN protocol underneath, which is why GP's comment is on point.

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Post by ignoramous »

geenat wrote: post #25

IMHO they should be a good steward and toss the Wireguard guy a mil considering Tailscale is pretty much Wireguard with a GUI on top.

> they should be a good steward

Tailscale did make a donation to WireGuard. They have regularly contributed to wireguard-go, including the complicated GRO/GSO bits.

  "Tailscale made a donation during September 2022, as part of their business centered around WireGuard." https://www.wireguard.com/donations/ / https://archive.vn/MMAXO
> Tailscale is pretty much Wireguard with a GUI on top.

Well, isn't PUBG a GUI on top of Unreal?

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Post by aqfamnzc »

aborsy wrote: post #35
geenat wrote: post #25

IMHO they should be a good steward and toss the Wireguard guy a mil considering Tailscale is pretty much Wireguard with a GUI on top.

This is not correct. Wireguard establishes a tunnel between peer A and B, and its simplicity stops there. Tailscale does tons of complex networking, filtering, nat traversal, DNS, file sharing, etc. Wireguard is a small part of the codebase today, which has grown a lot. It’s a bit like saying Dropbox is just a GUI on top of TLS.

> It’s a bit like saying Dropbox is just a GUI on top of TLS.

Well, it is. After all, for a Linux user, you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially...

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Post by borski »

otterley wrote: post #6

How is Tailscale going to achieve at least $1B in annual revenue? That’s the kind of promise that would have to be made to investors in order to raise funding of this magnitude.

I imagine this was, at least in part, part of the pitch deck.

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Post by evanjrowley »

mrbonner wrote: post #23

Does anybody encounter issues with DNS after installing tailscale with it's MagicDNS enabled? It drives me nuts because my entire network just stops working. I removed tailscale but still won't be able to connect to my Ubuntu server.

Sometimes I have issues like this. It's related to my ISP not supporting IPv6. I don't have time to explain this in detail, but at least that's one angle of it that you might want to explore further.

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Post by fidotron »

baq wrote: post #26
otterley wrote: post #6

How is Tailscale going to achieve at least $1B in annual revenue? That’s the kind of promise that would have to be made to investors in order to raise funding of this magnitude.

One would hope they’d create something like Google drive except you own your stuff that people would pay for.

So you want a file system data store that distributes the data over the nodes you own in a sort of dynamic P2P way?

Re: Tailscale has raised $160M

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Post by 4k93n2 »

sshine wrote: post #9

so tailscale is selling out that was disappointing at least the current software is open source, so others can fork it before it closes down on itself and enshittifies.

netbird looks like it would be a better option if open source is what youre after. theres a handful of others too, nebula, zerotier, netmaker just to name a few
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