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North Korean IT workers have infiltrated the Fortune 500

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Re: North Korean IT workers have infiltrated the Fortune 500

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Post by spartanatreyu »

plsbenice34 wrote: post #37
throwaway_ab wrote: post #20

A flagged post mentions this is racist and typical anti immigration rhetoric. That's not true, there are only two types of North Korean people you'll meet, either those that have defected and escaped North Korea or those that are agents of the state of North Korea. There are very few defectors in existence and once they escape they're given full South Korean citizenship. This article is not about those people. The va…

What about Australia in comparison? Australians can be legally compelled in secret courts to install backdoors in the companies in which they are employed, and gagged from telling the company itself or any journalists (see the Access and Assistance Bill). That doesn't cross the same 'agents of the state' line?

Australians can be made "agents of the state", but the Australian state doesn't rely on said agents to help fund itself

Re: North Korean IT workers have infiltrated the Fortune 500

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Post by tkel »

infecto wrote: post #29
tkel wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're doing the racist rhetoric. There's no one in north korea that isn't "an agent of the state"? Give me a break. You sound ridiculous.

Is it really racist? North Korea is the most tightly controlled country in the world. Seems too easy to just throw out the racist card when you did not refute or provide any counter point. I am certain there are good people in North Korea but it would be hard to figure folks allegiances. A lifetime of propaganda can really do something to the mind.

"A lifetime of propaganda" about how NK is some nightmare land?

The evidentiary standard on reporting goes basically to zero if it's about NK. Outlandish claims are to be taken at face value and not interrogated, because of a "lifetime of propaganda" in the US, since the Korean War. Yes, that is linked with racism. The evidentiary standard in the media on other European countries for example is much much higher. For the most part, the racist narrative follows that places where white people are good and free, and places where non-white people are dangerous and bad. Classic racist rhetoric.

With regards to the specific points the article is making: "The FBI reported the money funds nuclear weapons and operations". Is a laughable fearmongering hypcrocrisy. part of Every tax dollar in the US goes towards funding nuclear weapons and operations. But good luck trying to get reporters at Fortune to be self-aware of their hypocrisy. That's the propaganda: bad when they do it. Good or neutral when we do it. Uncritical re-printing of statements from government agents (FBI). A reporter with an evidentiary standard would ask for evidence before printing that. Last I checked there was only one country that has actually used a nuclear weapon. Objectively, I would say that country is far more dangerous.

Re: North Korean IT workers have infiltrated the Fortune 500

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Post by donnachangstein »

plsbenice34 wrote: post #37
throwaway_ab wrote: post #20

A flagged post mentions this is racist and typical anti immigration rhetoric. That's not true, there are only two types of North Korean people you'll meet, either those that have defected and escaped North Korea or those that are agents of the state of North Korea. There are very few defectors in existence and once they escape they're given full South Korean citizenship. This article is not about those people. The va…

What about Australia in comparison? Australians can be legally compelled in secret courts to install backdoors in the companies in which they are employed, and gagged from telling the company itself or any journalists (see the Access and Assistance Bill). That doesn't cross the same 'agents of the state' line?

Are you seriously comparing Australia to... North Korea?

Re: North Korean IT workers have infiltrated the Fortune 500

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Post by mettamage »

ryandrake wrote: post #33
jdyer9 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine that your reputation didn't matter, getting sued was out of the question, and there was no criminal liability: your job, backed by the government, is to be employed by as many tech firms for as long as you can, you'd probably work pretty hard on coming up with a reasonable but very good resume and work hard on how to interview well. Now, you're a professional interviewer and might conduct 10x-100x more interv…

Absolutely damning of the tech industry’s interviewing and recruiting process if companies can’t distinguish between a “professional interviewer” (regardless of their nationality) and an actually talented candidate who does one interview a year or so.

I think professional interviewees have more time honing their craft than people that are conducting interviews. It's IMO a similar attacker/defender mechanic as we see in security. Attackers have the upperhand in most cases as they only need to find one or few vulnerabilities on presumably a gargantuan attack surface.

Re: North Korean IT workers have infiltrated the Fortune 500

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Post by vkou »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #13

This part is genius: > Nowadays, Leggio told Fortune he won’t even set up an interview with a candidate who seems promising on paper unless they agree to one final step. “Say something negative about Kim Jong Un,” Leggio tells potential job candidates, referring to the third-generation authoritarian Supreme Leader of North Korea, officially the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK). Through research, Leggio le…

Yeah, and if you ask someone if they are an undercover cop, they have to tell you.

This doesn't pass the smell test.

Re: North Korean IT workers have infiltrated the Fortune 500

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Post by mvdtnz »

tkel wrote: post #26
throwaway_ab wrote: post #20

A flagged post mentions this is racist and typical anti immigration rhetoric. That's not true, there are only two types of North Korean people you'll meet, either those that have defected and escaped North Korea or those that are agents of the state of North Korea. There are very few defectors in existence and once they escape they're given full South Korean citizenship. This article is not about those people. The va…

You're doing the racist rhetoric. There's no one in north korea that isn't "an agent of the state"? Give me a break. You sound ridiculous.

> There's no one in north korea that isn't "an agent of the state"?

That's not what he said.

Re: North Korean IT workers have infiltrated the Fortune 500

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Post by olyjohn »

bitmasher9 wrote: post #31
cootsnuck wrote: post #25

So whenever I have gotten a job in tech, I've had to complete a background check if I get the job offer. How exactly are these fake profiles passing basic background checks? They would have to be impersonating real people if pretending to be Americans. Unless these companies aren't doing the most basic background checks beyond just looking at resumes and LinkedIn profiles. Pretty weird and seems not too difficult to…

If you’re a state actor it probably wouldn’t be too hard to create US citizen IDs anyone could fall into. Hack a hospital to give a birth certificate for a new born baby (easily within NK’s reach), and then mail the documents for a SS card. In eighteen years have an agent take the GED and SAT, and score well enough to get into state school. Then graduate and apply to the list of target companies you want to infiltrat…

You can probably buy 90% of the data you need from a broker. Also Equifax leaked all of our personal data too. This is the consequence of all the data leaks and legal harvesting.

Re: North Korean IT workers have infiltrated the Fortune 500

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Post by labster »

jgilias wrote: post #17
throwaway2037 wrote: post #13

This part is genius: > Nowadays, Leggio told Fortune he won’t even set up an interview with a candidate who seems promising on paper unless they agree to one final step. “Say something negative about Kim Jong Un,” Leggio tells potential job candidates, referring to the third-generation authoritarian Supreme Leader of North Korea, officially the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK). Through research, Leggio le…

I don’t think that’s going to work for long. A typical defender/attacker dynamic at play.

Who is the attacker and who is the defender? Can the candidate be sure that the person asking that question isn’t secret police?

Re: North Korean IT workers have infiltrated the Fortune 500

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Post by oneshtein »

donnachangstein wrote: post #43
plsbenice34 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about Australia in comparison? Australians can be legally compelled in secret courts to install backdoors in the companies in which they are employed, and gagged from telling the company itself or any journalists (see the Access and Assistance Bill). That doesn't cross the same 'agents of the state' line?

Are you seriously comparing Australia to... North Korea?

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