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Re: How new US tariffs are forcing Europe to rethink its entire tech stack

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Post by blurbleblurble » Tue, Apr 08, 2025, 5:10 AM UTC

toss1 wrote: post #27

notachatbot123 wrote: post #4

It's not the taxes, it's the loss of trust and security.

THIS Ordinarily, trust is earned in drops and lost by the barrel. However, in the last eleven weeks, the current administration has sunk and destroyed supertanker-loads of trust in The United States Of America, and in every field including defense, security, health, science, academics, political, economic, and anything you can think of. Even if the goals are good, the way they are being implemented is insanely stupid…

The goal is pretty overtly destructive

Re: How new US tariffs are forcing Europe to rethink its entire tech stack

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Post by rcarmo » Tue, Apr 08, 2025, 7:23 AM UTC

This is not how hyperscaler economics works.

Re: How new US tariffs are forcing Europe to rethink its entire tech stack

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Post by rcarmo » Tue, Apr 08, 2025, 7:25 AM UTC

amazingamazing wrote: post #5

Every continent will have its own cloud, and tech by the end of 2050.

That’s already mostly true except for Europe. OVH, Hetzner, etc. are not hyperscale providers nor have they shown the ability to evolve in that direction over the past decade, and to be honest the conditions in Europe are just not there for any one of them to evolve into a “proper” cloud provider.

Cloud isn’t VMs, it’s managed services.

Re: How new US tariffs are forcing Europe to rethink its entire tech stack

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Post by kfk » Tue, Apr 08, 2025, 9:27 AM UTC

OutOfHere wrote: post #40

kfk wrote: post #26

I run a small IT consultancy in EU mostly for companies with factories, so I have some biases. I have a few issues with the way IT leadership in EU has been running things the past 20 or so years: - Absolutely 0 care for having a de-risked supply chain. In fact, IT leaders are extremely happy to have fewer and fewer suppliers, I think it is even one of their goals! And look at it now, what to do when 70% of your comp…

Why aren't they being disrupted by those who have much more efficient operations?

Because in the industries I have experience in IT has typically very little to do with the type of efficiency that matters in manufacturing. For instance, moving a factory from Germany to Romania is going to give you faster and more predictable savings than, say, optimizing production with IT and automation (obviously take this example with a grain of salt and the usual "it depends").

The theory was that Industry 4.0 should somehow change that, at least in Europe, by adding more automation and tech to production. I have seen only 1 factory built that way and, let me say, it was a complete mess IT wise. There is also the issue that the same people that were building factories in the 90s are now also building the "new" factories.