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Supervisors often prefer rule breakers, up to a point

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Re: Supervisors often prefer rule breakers, up to a point

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Post by 9rx »

rufus_foreman wrote: post #14
doubled112 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Four minutes for roughing after you punch somebody in the face? Sign me up!

>> Four minutes for roughing I've never seen a double minor for roughing. 2 minute minor or 5 minute major. 4 minute double minor is typically when someone is high sticked and they're bleeding because of it. So yeah, give a co-worker a hand to the face and if the manager catches it you're sitting out of the sprint planning meeting for either 2 or 5 minutes depending.

> if the manager catches it you're sitting out of the sprint planning meeting for either 2 or 5 minutes depending.

Going to be a lot of sore faces when this rule comes into effect.

Re: Supervisors often prefer rule breakers, up to a point

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Post by sudoshred »

rblatz wrote: post #33

Anecdotally I’ve heard from professional athletes that steroid use is actually liked by coaches because it gives them better control over the locker room. If someone becomes an issue in the locker room, guess who is getting randomly selected for testing without a heads up warning.

Similar thinking applies in other fields as well I am sure.

Re: Supervisors often prefer rule breakers, up to a point

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Post by rufus_foreman »

9rx wrote: post #41
rufus_foreman wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Four minutes for roughing I've never seen a double minor for roughing. 2 minute minor or 5 minute major. 4 minute double minor is typically when someone is high sticked and they're bleeding because of it. So yeah, give a co-worker a hand to the face and if the manager catches it you're sitting out of the sprint planning meeting for either 2 or 5 minutes depending.

> if the manager catches it you're sitting out of the sprint planning meeting for either 2 or 5 minutes depending. Going to be a lot of sore faces when this rule comes into effect.

I mean those guys are allowed to fight back, too, it's fun to watch.

Re: Supervisors often prefer rule breakers, up to a point

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Post by __turbobrew__ »

Being mission focused can help in this regard. Knowing what you are trying to do and why you are trying to do it can guide you when to break the rules. This requires you to understand the business/organization and how the organization works. If a rule was set up to protect the company from breaking the law, you do not break those rules (unless you work in finance). If a rule was set up because someone with bad judgment did something dumb in the past which caused a snafu, make sure you aren’t being dumb.

If you aren’t sure if you are being dumb or not, you are probably dumb. If you are sure you are not dumb, you are probably dumb. If you think you may not be dumb, you may in fact not be dumb.

Re: Supervisors often prefer rule breakers, up to a point

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Post by s1artibartfast »

efavdb wrote: post #28
pdpi wrote: post #23

Fundamentally, rules almost always come with compromises — for the sake of making rules understandable by humans, they have to be relatively simple. Simple rules for complex situations will always forbid some amount of good behaviour, and allow some bad behaviour. Many of society's parasites live in the space of "allowable bad behaviour", but there is a lot of value to knowing how to exploit the "forbidden good behav…

Example?

For which side?

Most examples boil down to common sense. Nobody is going to arrest a 14 year old for driving their dying parent to the hospital.

Similarly, it is reprehensible but legal to pull up a chair and watch a child drown in a pool.

There is a difference between law and morality, and humans will use the second to selectively enforce the former.

Re: Supervisors often prefer rule breakers, up to a point

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Post by nearting »

seeknotfind wrote: post #38

Here's the dangerous way I put it that I only tell senior people: understand why rules were made and make sure the people who made them would be happy.

> Here's the dangerous way I put it that I only tell senior people: understand why rules were made and make sure the people who made them would be happy.

If you aren't absolutely sure those senior people know what they're doing, the this is a great way to end up with originalism.

Re: Supervisors often prefer rule breakers, up to a point

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Post by hobs »

Every job I have worked, there's the rules, and the actual rules. The rules are what is written down, the actual rules is what is enforced.

If the company wants you out or considers you low value/high maintenance, they use the rules. If the company likes you, they use the actual rules. If you are on the promotion track, they use the actual rules.

Also, it turns out the actual rules actually have serious revisions as you go up the corporate ladder - things that would get you fired might not get your boss fired, and definitely wont get the CFO fired.

Re: Supervisors often prefer rule breakers, up to a point

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Post by Carrok »

pixl97 wrote: post #13
Carrok wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sure they did take away lessons. Are those lessons applicable to the real world is the salient question.

"Sports does not occur in the real world" That's a new one for me today.

That's certainly one way to misinterpret what I said.
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