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Installing air filters in classrooms has surprisingly large educational benefits (2020)

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Re: Installing air filters in classrooms has surprisingly large educational benefits (2020)

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I wish there was more data on the effects of gasses in the air on people.

We seem to know:

- Elevated CO2 in rooms impairs cognitive performance.

- Elevated CO2 in submarines, at levels far higher than you would see in a normal room does not appear to impact cognitive performance.

- Installing carbon filters (what this study actually looked at) might improve classroom performance.

- People don’t like stuffy rooms.

All this is consistent with multiple hypotheses. It could be that we just don’t know anything about it. Or maybe there is some gas or gasses emitted by people that isn’t CO2 that makes people mildly uncomfortable and have worse cognitive performance.

CO2 is certainly a good proxy for ventilation quality in a space where air is exchanged with outdoors but where the gasses in the air are not otherwise changed. Carbon-filtered classrooms and submarines are not examples of this.

Re: Installing air filters in classrooms has surprisingly large educational benefits (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anything, schools able to implement air filtration and fresh air exchanges systems are likely those flush with cash and supportive parents.

only ycombinator would have a hard time with the concept of 'open the window' and instead expect a capital installment of $2B to retrofit classrooms

Do you think everyone lives in California where there's comfortable sunny temperatures and no rain 360 days a year? Classic ycombinator post

Re: Installing air filters in classrooms has surprisingly large educational benefits (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My dad made a similar observation, assuming the children were young. However, upon reviewing the article, I noticed it doesn’t explicitly mention the grade level. Considering younger children have weaker immune systems, this could potentially lead to fewer missed classes and improved grades. Personally, my first grader misses out on a considerable number of classes. However, if these results were observed in grades 3…

But then, what about being protected from sickness from a young age, to end up sick all the time as an adult ? You had a better education, we can agree, but your body got weaker as a result and now you can't be as productive as an adult. I exaggerate a bit, but I found that during covid, where the mask was mandatory in my place, I was never sick. The only few years in my life where I was actually healthy continuously…

I just keep wearing an N95. I've had maybe 3 infections in 5 years.

Re: Installing air filters in classrooms has surprisingly large educational benefits (2020)

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post #9

I'm all for installing air filters in classrooms for a number of reasons, but I also think the extreme results from this study aren't going to hold up to further research. From the paper: > To do so, I leverage a unique setting arising from the largest gas leak in United States history, whereby the offending gas company installed air filters in every classroom, office and common area for all schools within five miles…

> but I also think the extreme results from this study aren't going to hold up to further research.

there already is further research. and the results do seem to be holding up.

the study you're quoting from is the one linked in the 2nd paragraph of the article. this is from the 3rd paragraph:

> But it’s consistent with a growing literature on the cognitive impact of air pollution, which finds that everyone from chess players to baseball umpires to workers in a pear-packing factory suffer deteriorations in performance when the air is more polluted.

that paragraph links to an earlier Vox article [0] which goes into more detail, and well as linking to all of the various studies:

> A wide range of studies about the impact of pollution on cognitive functioning have been published in recent years, showing impacts across a strikingly wide range of endeavors. Stripe CEO Patrick Collison has taken an interest in this subject and compiled much of the key research on his personal blog. Among the findings he’s highlighted include:

> - Exposure to fine particulates over the long term leads to increased incidences of dementia and Alzheimer’s disease in the elderly (a second study confirms this).

> - A study of 20,000 older women found that 10 micrograms of additional long-term particulate exposure is equivalent, across the board, to about two additional years of aging.

> - The impacts are not limited to the elderly, however, nor are they exclusively long-term. A range of specialized professionals also seem to suffer short-term impairment due to air pollution. Skilled chess players, for example, make more mistakes on more polluted days. Baseball umpires are also more likely to make erroneous calls on days with poor air quality. Politicians’ statements become less verbally complex on high-pollution days, too.

> - Ordinary office workers also exhibit these impacts, showing higher scores on cognitive tests when working in low-pollution ( or “green”) office environments. Individual stock traders become less productive on high-pollution days.

> - The same also appears to be true for blue collar work. A study of a pear-packing factory found that higher levels of outdoor particulate pollution “leads to a statistically and economically significant decrease in packing speeds inside the factory, with effects arising at levels well below current air quality standards.”

> - Last but by no means least, the cognitive impacts appear to be present in children, with a Georgia study that looked at retrofits of school buses showing large increases in English test scores and smaller ones in math driven by reduced exposure to diesel emissions.

0: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/12/11/20996968/air-p...

Re: Installing air filters in classrooms has surprisingly large educational benefits (2020)

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post #9

I'm all for installing air filters in classrooms for a number of reasons, but I also think the extreme results from this study aren't going to hold up to further research. From the paper: > To do so, I leverage a unique setting arising from the largest gas leak in United States history, whereby the offending gas company installed air filters in every classroom, office and common area for all schools within five miles…

One problem with nutrition based science is it suffers from nutrigenomics bias. It’s possible to study small cohorts of similar genetics and come to conclusions which fail to extrapolate to larger populations. It’s possible that this same problem does not apply to air filtration.

It's possible, but much less likely since they controlled for demographics and cited a number of related studies that show comparable effects.

Re: Installing air filters in classrooms has surprisingly large educational benefits (2020)

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post #9

I'm all for installing air filters in classrooms for a number of reasons, but I also think the extreme results from this study aren't going to hold up to further research. From the paper: > To do so, I leverage a unique setting arising from the largest gas leak in United States history, whereby the offending gas company installed air filters in every classroom, office and common area for all schools within five miles…

I'm a big fan of air filters and have many in my own home that have made a big difference in quality of life as I live in a high pollen area. They can help with a lot more irritants as well that some students may be sensitive to (i.e., some students may study better if their immune system isn't in overdrive for half the school year like mine was). I'm not sure how these would help with natural gas though. I can't rea…

The article and study are both explicit that natural gas wouldn't have been an issue (the leak was fixed and the gas was gone). The impact from the filters would be from other indoor air pollutants.

Re: Installing air filters in classrooms has surprisingly large educational benefits (2020)

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you not get massive amounts of dust?

Why would opening the windows result in dust, except where there a lot of dust outside (near a construction site)?

swamp coolers work - imples desert - implies dust

Re: Installing air filters in classrooms has surprisingly large educational benefits (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a big fan of air filters and have many in my own home that have made a big difference in quality of life as I live in a high pollen area. They can help with a lot more irritants as well that some students may be sensitive to (i.e., some students may study better if their immune system isn't in overdrive for half the school year like mine was). I'm not sure how these would help with natural gas though. I can't rea…

The article and study are both explicit that natural gas wouldn't have been an issue (the leak was fixed and the gas was gone). The impact from the filters would be from other indoor air pollutants.

Thank you!

Re: Installing air filters in classrooms has surprisingly large educational benefits (2020)

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post #41

I wish there was more data on the effects of gasses in the air on people. We seem to know: - Elevated CO2 in rooms impairs cognitive performance. - Elevated CO2 in submarines, at levels far higher than you would see in a normal room does not appear to impact cognitive performance. - Installing carbon filters (what this study actually looked at) might improve classroom performance. - People don’t like stuffy rooms. Al…

(Former submariner here.)

Elevated CO2 in submarines absolutely impairs performance. One example: there was a guy on my boat who got migraines when CO2 got too high - he was useless. Luckily the fix is simple - just turn on another CO2 scrubber.

There's nothing special about a submarine that makes CO2 somehow different than anywhere else.

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