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The Gen X Career Meltdown

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Re: The Gen X Career Meltdown

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Am I the only one that finds these generation-related articles really stupid? Gen meltdown. There are stupid people in every generation. There are smart people in every generation. If the writer was in the second group, they would stop generalizing and sensationalizing.

If that were true; why are recruiters going out of their way to avoid hiring Gen Z without at least 5 years' experience? Some generations are in a messier shape than others, in different ways. Even Gen Z managers describe their own generation as the worst.

As a member of Gen Z myself I can validate our generation is in a grim shape. Very few of us can still read properly, many with broken bs detectors, and fewer yet with an understanding of history. In the software professions especially this is a problem; with the embrace now of vibe coding being exemplary of the great confidence in mechanisms they do not understand fully, to the extent that they would trust what it writes without reading it. Such things would work for experienced technicians who see this as rote, but for such inexperienced people, they should not yet assume they know what correct looks like in many cases. This is not to say that there are some truly talented people, but in my work rehabilitating codebases, especially in the post AI era, this has become a big issue. Many are not aware of moral issues like that with Therac-25, and I pray we are not to replay such incidents.

Re: The Gen X Career Meltdown

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> The transition from an industrial to a service/information economy was handled by the zeitgeist before Gen X's time. That's not entirely accurate. Sure textile mills and foundries were on a downward trend in the 70s and 80s but it wasn't until NAFTA came along that the bulk of manufacturing industries offshored. North Carolina retained it's command of furniture manufacturing and the timber industry was thriving up…

North Carolina isn't part of the rust belt and NAFTA (94) is ten years after the term "rust belt" was coined (84) so it seems pretty inaccurate to think that NAFTA had anything to do with the emergence of the rust belt. It certainly contributed and accelerated the decline, but if it's already so bad that politicians are calling it the "rust belt" ten years prior to what you claim is the clause, there's an accuracy pr…

The concept of industrial decline and loss of manufacturing isn't limited to the rust belt. You dragged that in with you in your haste to well actually someone and if you actually -read- my comment you'll see I advanced no claims at all about it. Parenthetically what's your level of exposure to manufacturing in the US? Ever had a job making stuff?

Re: The Gen X Career Meltdown

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Gen X spent their youth rejecting their parents’ world—only to watch it vanish and get replaced by something even emptier.

At the time it seemed like a solid bet. It was in no way apparent that there was any way to shoehorn even more bullshit into the status quo. We grew up with Ronald Reagan as president and grown-ass adults convinced Dungeons and Dragons was the pinnacle of devil worship (meanwhile satanists were dismayed to find out it was just math and improv). Important people thought Lee Iacocca was a good pick to run a car company…

it only got worse from there, although ~1990-2016 wasn't so bad

Re: The Gen X Career Meltdown

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North Carolina isn't part of the rust belt and NAFTA (94) is ten years after the term "rust belt" was coined (84) so it seems pretty inaccurate to think that NAFTA had anything to do with the emergence of the rust belt. It certainly contributed and accelerated the decline, but if it's already so bad that politicians are calling it the "rust belt" ten years prior to what you claim is the clause, there's an accuracy pr…

The concept of industrial decline and loss of manufacturing isn't limited to the rust belt. You dragged that in with you in your haste to well actually someone and if you actually -read- my comment you'll see I advanced no claims at all about it. Parenthetically what's your level of exposure to manufacturing in the US? Ever had a job making stuff?

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Re: The Gen X Career Meltdown

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There's a cusp between them, birth years '78 to '82. We're the Xennials, also dubbed the Oregon Trail micro-generation. We're the ones who grew up playing that on the Apple IIs in the school computer labs, and the other hallmarks of that tech era like typing in programs from magazines, and then eventually we formed the BBS scene before the internet. We have the best of both ways regarding technology. We use it and we…

I was born in 1984 and I consider that part of the Oregon Trail generation because I played Oregon Trail in school as a child. I didn't get my first computer until 1998. Before that I rode my bicycle around, watched nickelodeon where half the airtime was commercials, played with pogs, and life sucked! I was about as unhappy a child as you can imagine before I found the Internet and programming. Everything the tech in…

> Everything the tech industry does makes the world a significantly better place

Ever-increasing centralized surveillance/control makes the world a better place? I guess one might think that if one assumes they themselves will be part of the managerial class pulling those levers of power, like the New York Times staff for previous generations. Personally, I favor individual liberty.

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The rampant destruction of jobs, career paths, and education going on right now from the very top feels drastically worse The post war boom needed people, was a time of great building. That had created past a peak, and we no longer were able to exploit foreign labor markets and resources with quite such abundance by Gen X's day. But today? We had a fantastic economy. Life was expensive as hell, but at least there wer…

think its bad now... wait until TRIPs falls apart; https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/trump-tariff-wa...

Re: The Gen X Career Meltdown

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I was born in 1984 and I consider that part of the Oregon Trail generation because I played Oregon Trail in school as a child. I didn't get my first computer until 1998. Before that I rode my bicycle around, watched nickelodeon where half the airtime was commercials, played with pogs, and life sucked! I was about as unhappy a child as you can imagine before I found the Internet and programming. Everything the tech in…

I grew up on a computer, I was a child around the time you're describing, but was on the Internet & toying around on the computer. It kicked off a lifelong passion for technology & computers. I would be hard pressed to say computers & the Internet are a net positive for the world. For me personally, they unlocked a passion & interest I haven't been able to find in any other domain. I have plenty of other interests &…

Technology has been a rising tide that lifts all boats. It enables people to have more impact being whatever it is they are. Some people have badness in their hearts. Just because they're using technology, doesn't mean the badness came from technology. It was already there. If that's what you choose to focus on, then it shows you care about those people. Why not just let them be as they are?

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post #47

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I grew up on a computer, I was a child around the time you're describing, but was on the Internet & toying around on the computer. It kicked off a lifelong passion for technology & computers. I would be hard pressed to say computers & the Internet are a net positive for the world. For me personally, they unlocked a passion & interest I haven't been able to find in any other domain. I have plenty of other interests &…

Technology has been a rising tide that lifts all boats. It enables people to have more impact being whatever it is they are. Some people have badness in their hearts. Just because they're using technology, doesn't mean the badness came from technology. It was already there. If that's what you choose to focus on, then it shows you care about those people. Why not just let them be as they are?

I thought I was pretty clear that I don't think technology is a net positive. There are many, many ways computers have been a huge positive for a great many people. I'm still not convinced it's an overall "good" thing we've put into the world.

I'm focusing on the negatives right now because how can I not? The people who have introduced all this technology are weilding it for bad things & negatively impacting my life & many others. The negatives are currently front & center, hard to ignore or deny.

Re: The Gen X Career Meltdown

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technology has been a rising tide that lifts all boats. It enables people to have more impact being whatever it is they are. Some people have badness in their hearts. Just because they're using technology, doesn't mean the badness came from technology. It was already there. If that's what you choose to focus on, then it shows you care about those people. Why not just let them be as they are?

I thought I was pretty clear that I don't think technology is a net positive . There are many, many ways computers have been a huge positive for a great many people. I'm still not convinced it's an overall "good" thing we've put into the world. I'm focusing on the negatives right now because how can I not? The people who have introduced all this technology are weilding it for bad things & negatively impacting my life…

What have the technologists done that's hurt you?

Re: The Gen X Career Meltdown

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I read in the article that phrase that has been popping here and there in my zeitgeist:

"exit strategy"

Like watching that game at the venue and the score is very much settled and you asked yourself:

"Where did I park?"

The revolution will not be televised.

No flying cars for us but here, takes this gadget and play Sudoku until whatever will happen, happens.

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