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Re: Madison Square Garden's surveillance banned this fan over his T-shirt design

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Post by zonkerdonker »

neilv wrote: post #35

> “Frank Miller Jr. made threats against an MSG executive on social media and produced and sold merchandise that was offensive in nature,” Mikyl Cordova, executive vice president of communications and marketing for the company, said in an emailed statement. If he made threats, what were the threats? If he didn't make threats, does this written statement, from a communications executive, to a journalist, intended for…

I'm not a lawyer by any means, but I don't see how it wouldn't be.

But realistically, how worth it would it be for this graphic designer to battle a narcissistic, petty billionaire in court?

US civil court is truly fucked. Criminal as well, for that matter. Ok, the entire judicial branch really. And the executive branch, and legislative, law enforcement, public health, education....

As an aside, what's the easiest country in the EU for immigration?

Re: Madison Square Garden's surveillance banned this fan over his T-shirt design

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Post by tstrimple »

Way too much circle jerking in this thread over what the first amendment means as if people a few hundred years ago had a better grasp on what is right and wrong in today’s context than anyone living and breathing and thinking today. In my opinion the deference given to what long dead people wrote is a cause of many of this country’s problems. It’s supposed to be a living constitution and we’re still trying to divine what those dead people meant by their more obscure statements with a radically different context than what we have face today.

Re: Madison Square Garden's surveillance banned this fan over his T-shirt design

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Post by gorgoiler »

If they pulled Miller out of the line and only then checked his photo ID, and the allegation is they used facial recognition to trigger this, then that implies they already had his biometrics in their database.

The legal disclaimer shown at the venue implies that the biometrics are collected (and “retained, stored, and converted”) at the venue. That’s clearly only half of the story. They must also be collecting (and retaining, storing, and converting) information about anyone using sources outside the venue.

The implication from chronology of the story is that MSG must have done something like googled Miller, found his LinkedIn bio-pic, and put that in their “safety and security” database?

I think we can conclude therefore that the disclaimer sign is not a quasi-legal disclaimer to let the venue record your face, but in fact a canard to divert your attention from the fact that they have already created records linking your face to your name — records created without your consent and without letting you know they did it.

Re: Madison Square Garden's surveillance banned this fan over his T-shirt design

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Post by mmooss »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #39
ysofunny wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's a 1st ammendment issue in the sense in which the entire constitutional apparatus is falling appart because citizen-president Trump is a power bully but this was bound to happen. as we transition from orality to literacy to digital-literacy and beyond consider why the laws are written down. consider the way language became computer languages. and then realize that what was written down must now grapple with the n…

> as we transition from orality to literacy to digital-literacy and beyond Really we're going backwards here Digital literacy in the younger generations is dropping, and even language literacy is not where it used to be It's kind of shocking to see these stats regress in my lifetime but they are

What metrics are available on these things? Is it based on a survey?

Re: Madison Square Garden's surveillance banned this fan over his T-shirt design

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Post by hallway_monitor »

tstrimple wrote: post #42

Way too much circle jerking in this thread over what the first amendment means as if people a few hundred years ago had a better grasp on what is right and wrong in today’s context than anyone living and breathing and thinking today. In my opinion the deference given to what long dead people wrote is a cause of many of this country’s problems. It’s supposed to be a living constitution and we’re still trying to divine…

I don’t give a shit about first amendment interpretations and I agree completely that laws need an update. How about this: ban biometric detection. Ban facial recognition. Throw the CEO in jail if a company breaks the ban. That would be a good use of government power. Fuck the surveillance state, it’s not a place I want to live - and we don’t have to accept it.

Re: Madison Square Garden's surveillance banned this fan over his T-shirt design

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Post by Jiro »

zfg wrote: post #2

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I seem to recall that when conservatives were getting banned from social media (or any place else), the prevailing attitude was "it's a private company, and they don't owe you anything, so they can ban someone for any reason they want." Now when it's a sympathetic target suddenly nobody is saying that? People are even invoking the First Amendment, which was laughed at back then.

Re: Madison Square Garden's surveillance banned this fan over his T-shirt design

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Post by djmips »

arielsaldana wrote: post #7
ranger_danger wrote: post #3

Big fat warning that there is absolutely no proof of why they were banned, the title is very misleading.

Did you read the article? It clearly states what Mikyl Cordova wrote lol.

BTW did you read where that was a later edit?

Re: Madison Square Garden's surveillance banned this fan over his T-shirt design

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Post by yard2010 »

neilv wrote: post #35

> “Frank Miller Jr. made threats against an MSG executive on social media and produced and sold merchandise that was offensive in nature,” Mikyl Cordova, executive vice president of communications and marketing for the company, said in an emailed statement. If he made threats, what were the threats? If he didn't make threats, does this written statement, from a communications executive, to a journalist, intended for…

Yes.
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