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Re: Chatbots-Are-AI-Antipatterns

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The hate against chat interfaces is missing the real opportunity here. Consider the calendar interface the article describes: that we've managed to actually make it function within chat means we've roughly automated pretty much everything except the human interaction that's left. That's pretty amazing! The article goes on to claim that hybrid UI's are the future. I disagree, the future is figuring out how to automate…

What does this even mean? What do these magical AIs with no interface do?

Re: Chatbots-Are-AI-Antipatterns

#43
its because people integrated llm based ai into their existing guis as quickly and thoughtlessly as possible. ie. in the form of an annoying hovering element with a speech bubble protruding from it, and once you begin talking to it, you realize the range of topics it will respond to is very shallow. If at the end of your blog post you could type in "what about the stupid chat thing in your own blog" and it would respond intelligently, not gaslight you etc. that would perhaps be something.

The point is OK (ie, a car with no steering wheel just chat) but pretty obvious and seems like the author is a hypocrite in this regard

Re: Chatbots-Are-AI-Antipatterns

#44
What about a chatbot that can render HTML for you, including forms of which it can read the results when you hit SUBMIT, and a text window where you can add extra clarification that it will read?

Re: Chatbots-Are-AI-Antipatterns

#45
post #41

The hate against chat interfaces is missing the real opportunity here. Consider the calendar interface the article describes: that we've managed to actually make it function within chat means we've roughly automated pretty much everything except the human interaction that's left. That's pretty amazing! The article goes on to claim that hybrid UI's are the future. I disagree, the future is figuring out how to automate…

What does this even mean? What do these magical AIs with no interface do?

Infer what you're doing already based on your actions.

To take a concrete example from the article, the Cursor screenshot includes a prompt "Please refactor these components ..."

When was the last time I told an engineer on my team to do that? They automatically do that because they feel like it's a good idea. That's a no-interface magical AI.

Re: Chatbots-Are-AI-Antipatterns

#46
post #25

The natural-language chat box (or voice command) is seductive as an interface because it elides the question of how somebody will use a product. It makes a product that uses it seem more potentially capable, because you can imagine asking it anything (we all remember the sense of possibility in the first Zork-style games). If the user was provided with an affordance to understand the range of capabilities of the prod…

The only way I'm using a command entry if it's the result is deterministic. Fuzzy searching over the choices is nice, but I still want that to be deterministic. And some way to determine the actual choices available.

There's so many studies done on human computer interactions that at this stage, I'd believe it's just pure malice. Corporations want to push the idea that their tools will let you do your task without being trained in it, which have never happened even with physical tools. Even game console and smartphones require some guidance from other people.

Re: Chatbots-Are-AI-Antipatterns

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The market has already decided. If it was important for people, companies that offered easier cancellation would out-compete with those who don't.

Fuck the market. If that is indeed what it decided, it’s wrong. Markets are wrong all the time. I borrow a line from Rick and Morty, the boos of the market mean nothing to me. I've seen what makes it cheer. There is no reason at all to require a market to give us permission to make a better society.

If people are too rich, dumb, lazy or some combination of all three to not cancel a subscription because of the "barrier" of several web-pages and reading then they are extremely unlikely to use their money for any productive efforts.

I trust Amazon to make society a better place than lead-brained boomers/millennials who can't figure out how to cancel a subscription

Re: Chatbots-Are-AI-Antipatterns

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post #9

Chat is a terrible primary interface for working with people, too. It's fine for cursory stuff, but it doesn't suffice for anything that requires high information throughput. You can use it to follow up on a conversation that you had in person or in a video call, you can use it to check in about something that was fleshed out on a real doc, and you can occasionally use it to brainstorm a quick solution to something.…

Text is excellent for communication if all involved parties are decently literate.

This, admittedly, means it's very often not excellent.

Re: Chatbots-Are-AI-Antipatterns

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fuck the market. If that is indeed what it decided, it’s wrong. Markets are wrong all the time. I borrow a line from Rick and Morty, the boos of the market mean nothing to me. I've seen what makes it cheer. There is no reason at all to require a market to give us permission to make a better society.

A lot of people don't get that the market isn't a reflection of reality. It is reality - the only reality. That's the point of market realism.

That's... a pretty amazing misunderstanding.

Re: Chatbots-Are-AI-Antipatterns

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does this even mean? What do these magical AIs with no interface do?

Infer what you're doing already based on your actions. To take a concrete example from the article, the Cursor screenshot includes a prompt "Please refactor these components ..." When was the last time I told an engineer on my team to do that? They automatically do that because they feel like it's a good idea. That's a no-interface magical AI.

An AI that refactors with no human interaction sounds like an absolutely terrible idea. I don't want to be anywhere near a codebase where that's enabled
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