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Firefox Is Finally (Re)Adding Support for Web Apps

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Re: Firefox Is Finally (Re)Adding Support for Web Apps

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> On hacker news. You have the wrong expectations toward HN :) It's a lot less frustrating if you correct them. It's the community forum for a US-based, web-heavy startup accelerator, not a "hacker's corner" in terms of the original scene. The priorities and values and interests do differ.

Are there any forums more focused on being a "hacker's corner"?

Stack Overflow. Not a 'forum' per se but is otherwise built around the discussion of browser hacks.

Re: Firefox Is Finally (Re)Adding Support for Web Apps

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Mozilla were ruined by big Google checks. How they could let this opportunity slip while electron became the ui for every major desktop app… such a shame.

They had support for PWA in 2021, before they pulled it. Hard to see this is anything other than a concession to its biggest funder, Google. Chrome, Edge and Safari all support installing PWAs, while FF, the biggest beneficiary of such a change, intentionally gimped theirs.

https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/bring-back-pwa-progress...

Re: Firefox Is Finally (Re)Adding Support for Web Apps

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post #18

Web apps seem more beneficial to the business than to the end user. Like who cares?

What do you mean? I can have an app that i use a lot in its separate window accessible by cmd+tab, without unnecessary toolbars on top, it's not hidden among tens of other browser tabs and windows i have open. Works offline. That seems quite useful to me.

Re: Firefox Is Finally (Re)Adding Support for Web Apps

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lobste.rs is way more hacker and technical.

More than half of its front page is identical to HN's.

Only when the front page is full of technical content. There you don't see posts like:

- Elon Musk's SpaceX Allows Investment from China

- We're Still Not Done with Jesus

- Angelina Jolie Was Right About Computers

Re: Firefox Is Finally (Re)Adding Support for Web Apps

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post #18

Web apps seem more beneficial to the business than to the end user. Like who cares?

For the first time ever, it is possible to build an app that runs on anything that can run webkit. I use the same app on iOS, Android, Windows, MacOS, Debian, even GrapheneOS. No AppStore, no account needed. I think it benefits or at least could benefit the end user a lot in the long term, but it hurts the walled/semiwalled gardens of MS, Apple and Google and their business. Which is why they seem so reluctant to support it better. How Firefox does not see this potential app freedom is beyond me.

Re: Firefox Is Finally (Re)Adding Support for Web Apps

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> Similarly, Rubino says web apps in Firefox will not use a minimal browser frame and will continue to show a main toolbar with address bar, extensions, bookmarks... Why is this so hard to understand? Why are they so against just making it work like it's supposed to? PWAs are actively useful and great and this is just frustrating.

It is frustrating to not know what url I have open. Some apps add info based on account .

Nobody is forcing you to use an installed PWA. Use it in a browser.

Re: Firefox Is Finally (Re)Adding Support for Web Apps

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I will mourn the lack of a non-Chrome browser engine with enough market share to prevent Chrome from unilaterally changing the web.

Someone can fork chromium if need be. There are at least a couple organizations with chromium-based browsers that have maintained their own engines in the past. Chromium is objectively very good so it’s not like it’s the time when we were left with IE5. The biggest problem now is Google trying to protect their ad business and the other Chromium browsers have been working around that. I don’t think we are nearly as ba…

I dunno. Forcing ads on everybody seems bad to me. YMMV.
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