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Linux kernel 6.14 is a big leap forward in performance and Windows compatibility

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Re: Linux kernel 6.14 is a big leap forward in performance and Windows compatibility

#41

Post by nialv7 »

mouse_ wrote: post #2

From a YouTube comment: > please don't hype NTSYNC. yes it has better compatibility than ESYNC and FSYNC, yes it's marginally faster in selected title. The phoronix article reports benchmarks with WINESYNC vs NTSYNC, the gains are there only if you were not already running FSYNC (on by default in most titles running under proton). > By overhyping features they ultimately end up underdelivering because people expect i…

One exciting aspect of NTSYNC is that it could get into wine upstream. FSYNC is only available in Proton and not in upstream wine, mainly because it is not fully conformant, i.e. it doesn't behave exactly like its Windows counterpart does. But NTSYNC doesn't have this problem.

Re: Linux kernel 6.14 is a big leap forward in performance and Windows compatibility

#42

Post by maccard »

jchw wrote: post #30
cube00 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But no. It's just pure incompetence. While I don't agree with how he conducts himself on the mailing lists; I respect he uses the same language when talking about himself.

You know, though, his conduct nowadays isn't really that bad; I don't think I'd be bothered by it in a workplace environment. He makes strong assertions, but not mean-spirited, and I think Linus has a lot of reasons to feel highly confident when he makes strong assertions when it comes to Linux. Of course, there are some moments, but almost everybody has their moments. When push comes to shove, Linus seems to handle…

> I don’t think I’d be bothered by it in a workplace environment

https://lkml.org/lkml/2025/2/23/351

This was a month ago. I wouldn’t stand for this in a company I worked for.

Re: Linux kernel 6.14 is a big leap forward in performance and Windows compatibility

#43

Post by grotorea »

shermantanktop wrote: post #18
jmclnx wrote: post #7

>This driver is designed to emulate Windows NT synchronization primitives To me, anything that emulates windows primitives is a bad thing. Again these changes being pushed by Microsoft make me glad the BSDs exist. Lets hope the BSDs can continue staying independent of Large Corporations.

Your points are factually incorrect in several ways. But if I steelman your argument, Linux driving Windows compatibility for gaming could be bad for several reasons: - adoption of NTSYNC may distort the technical roadmap of Linux. That's arguable, it comes down to technical details. - we should ask game vendors to support Linux, not enable them to not support Linux. Unfortunately that ship has sailed and we already…

I think the best hope for native Linux gaming at this point is that the Steam deck and Proton in general becomes so popular it makes it worth it to consider native Linux too.

Re: Linux kernel 6.14 is a big leap forward in performance and Windows compatibility

#44

Post by Adverblessly »

mouse_ wrote: post #2

From a YouTube comment: > please don't hype NTSYNC. yes it has better compatibility than ESYNC and FSYNC, yes it's marginally faster in selected title. The phoronix article reports benchmarks with WINESYNC vs NTSYNC, the gains are there only if you were not already running FSYNC (on by default in most titles running under proton). > By overhyping features they ultimately end up underdelivering because people expect i…

That is a question of source. If you read the article on GoL instead ( https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/03/linux-kernel-6-14-out-... ) you would have already read that:

> For Valve's Proton however, don't go expecting much here with ntsync. As Valve developer Pierre-Loup Griffais replied to a user on Bluesky to note:

> We already include fsync, which should be as fast or faster as ntsync. We developed ntsync as a general solution that'd be acceptable in upstream Wine, but there's no urgency in including it in the Deck / SteamOS kernel.

Re: Linux kernel 6.14 is a big leap forward in performance and Windows compatibility

#45

Post by inetknght »

maccard wrote: post #42
jchw wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, though, his conduct nowadays isn't really that bad; I don't think I'd be bothered by it in a workplace environment. He makes strong assertions, but not mean-spirited, and I think Linus has a lot of reasons to feel highly confident when he makes strong assertions when it comes to Linux. Of course, there are some moments, but almost everybody has their moments. When push comes to shove, Linus seems to handle…

> I don’t think I’d be bothered by it in a workplace environment https://lkml.org/lkml/2025/2/23/351 This was a month ago. I wouldn’t stand for this in a company I worked for.

What's your problem with this email? I would expect this kind of constructive criticism from any team lead with a functioning brain and without a yes-man attitude.

Re: Linux kernel 6.14 is a big leap forward in performance and Windows compatibility

#46

Post by jchw »

maccard wrote: post #42
jchw wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, though, his conduct nowadays isn't really that bad; I don't think I'd be bothered by it in a workplace environment. He makes strong assertions, but not mean-spirited, and I think Linus has a lot of reasons to feel highly confident when he makes strong assertions when it comes to Linux. Of course, there are some moments, but almost everybody has their moments. When push comes to shove, Linus seems to handle…

> I don’t think I’d be bothered by it in a workplace environment https://lkml.org/lkml/2025/2/23/351 This was a month ago. I wouldn’t stand for this in a company I worked for.

I read it and it seemed alright to me. A bit firm yes, but damn are there times when I wish people would have communicate with me with this level of honesty about how they're feeling regarding something. In some places, people have communicated with me with that level of honesty. It does require you to make sure you're not taking things personally when they're not meant to be, but it's a lot better than people trading subtle cues all the time, which seems to just lead to more explosive issues later on when things inevitably hit a breaking point.

Where do you really feel this message goes too far?

Re: Linux kernel 6.14 is a big leap forward in performance and Windows compatibility

#47

Post by fn-mote »

maccard wrote: post #42
jchw wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, though, his conduct nowadays isn't really that bad; I don't think I'd be bothered by it in a workplace environment. He makes strong assertions, but not mean-spirited, and I think Linus has a lot of reasons to feel highly confident when he makes strong assertions when it comes to Linux. Of course, there are some moments, but almost everybody has their moments. When push comes to shove, Linus seems to handle…

> I don’t think I’d be bothered by it in a workplace environment https://lkml.org/lkml/2025/2/23/351 This was a month ago. I wouldn’t stand for this in a company I worked for.

I agree with my sibling commentors, but I want to point out for people who do not go read the comment: this is not the off the walls Linus rant of the past.

This is a very even-handed response where Linus tells people to calm down, that the purpose of linux-next is to discover problems, and that Rust is not causing all of the problems.

At the very end there is a sentence or two that might be offensive, especially if you have a thin skin or aren't reflective about your own responses, but this is in no way akin to the bombs of the past.

Re: Linux kernel 6.14 is a big leap forward in performance and Windows compatibility

#48

Post by mort96 »

maccard wrote: post #42
jchw wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, though, his conduct nowadays isn't really that bad; I don't think I'd be bothered by it in a workplace environment. He makes strong assertions, but not mean-spirited, and I think Linus has a lot of reasons to feel highly confident when he makes strong assertions when it comes to Linux. Of course, there are some moments, but almost everybody has their moments. When push comes to shove, Linus seems to handle…

> I don’t think I’d be bothered by it in a workplace environment https://lkml.org/lkml/2025/2/23/351 This was a month ago. I wouldn’t stand for this in a company I worked for.

That was a very calm and well-written e-mail, and an impressively mature way to decisively take a position on a technical issue that's controversial within the team. The only note I have is that adding "or is the problem between the keyboard and the chair, and you just want to vent" at the end was unnecessary, but it's not necessarily even wrong.

Re: Linux kernel 6.14 is a big leap forward in performance and Windows compatibility

#49

Post by SEGyges »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #37
cube00 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But no. It's just pure incompetence. While I don't agree with how he conducts himself on the mailing lists; I respect he uses the same language when talking about himself.

Does he willingly take that treatment from others? I don't really know, but that would be the actual test of congruence.

I am not deep into the Linus weeds but my impression is that he doesn't especially care if he's on the receiving end of this. It only started to feel different from "well, the Linux list is the PvP zone" when Linus was sufficiently weighty/famous that you almost had to take an insult from him to heart, and he did eventually correct his behavior there.

Re: Linux kernel 6.14 is a big leap forward in performance and Windows compatibility

#50

Post by maccard »

jchw wrote: post #46
maccard wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t think I’d be bothered by it in a workplace environment https://lkml.org/lkml/2025/2/23/351 This was a month ago. I wouldn’t stand for this in a company I worked for.

I read it and it seemed alright to me. A bit firm yes, but damn are there times when I wish people would have communicate with me with this level of honesty about how they're feeling regarding something. In some places, people have communicated with me with that level of honesty. It does require you to make sure you're not taking things personally when they're not meant to be, but it's a lot better than people tradin…

Right at the end

> So next time you want to write an email to complain about rust support: take a look in the mirror.

> Is the problem actually the rust code causing you issue, or is the problem between the keyboard and the chair, and you just want to vent?

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