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Post by belter »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #32
belter wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN front page is curated manually.

I don't believe your statement is accurate. [Edit: I interpreted "curated manually" to mean that dang picks each story that is on the front page. tptacek interpreted it to mean that, since users upvote and comment on stories, that's "manual curation". I interpret that as being "automatic curation", that is, an algorithm picks the front page stories, even though it's based on users' upvotes and comments. I cannot prov…

In the front page number 8 is 19 points - 3 hours ago | 1 comment

number 30 is 38 points 16 hours ago | 0 comments

number 7 is 13 points | 3 comments

This one has 142 points and 35 comments in 2 hours. Is neither on the first or second page.

What is the logic?

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by UncleMeat »

tptacek wrote: post #40
bediger4000 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Who cares? To a first approximation everybody who reads the NYT (really: any newspaper) opposes Trump. People obsess about NYT coverage decisions, but the NYT has approximately zero political influence in 2025. If education and engagement depolarize, that could change, but it hasn't yet.

The NYT amplifying a story in a ridiculous manner can convince democrats to stay home because "ugh, they are all crooks."

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

_tk_ wrote: post #36
ahaferburg wrote: post #24

That is absolutely wild. How is this not on the front page?

As far as I know, if submissions get flagged they get downranked. Not sure about the details.

It's not currently flagged, though. (Or at least, it's not currently marked [flagged].)

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by amai »

Reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Taurus_leak

„Among the topics the officials discussed in their conversation, conducted using standard commercial Cisco Webex video conferencing software, were the presence of UK and US military personnel in Ukraine and the potential use of Taurus missiles to blow up the Crimean Bridge.“

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

#46

Post by Jtsummers »

belter wrote: post #41
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe your statement is accurate. [Edit: I interpreted "curated manually" to mean that dang picks each story that is on the front page. tptacek interpreted it to mean that, since users upvote and comment on stories, that's "manual curation". I interpret that as being "automatic curation", that is, an algorithm picks the front page stories, even though it's based on users' upvotes and comments. I cannot prov…

In the front page number 8 is 19 points - 3 hours ago | 1 comment number 30 is 38 points 16 hours ago | 0 comments number 7 is 13 points | 3 comments This one has 142 points and 35 comments in 2 hours. Is neither on the first or second page. What is the logic?

> What is the logic?

The logic is that people have flagged it, but not enough for it to be marked [flagged], which downranks it. dang, if notified or interested in it himself, could turn off flagging for this submission which would likely bring it back to the front page (given comment activity, age, and current score). You could email him and ask nicely.

You've been on this site for 4 years with 57k karma so you must be very active here, I'm surprised you don't know this yet.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by margalabargala »

legitster wrote: post #15

The whole thread is WILD, and the fact that it was verified is crazy. But the actual text of the thread is horrifying: On one hand, they say they complain about "bailing out Europe". But on the other hand, they explicitly moved up the timeline so they could move before other actors and take credit. > "If the US successfully restores freedom of navigation at great cost there needs to be some further economic gain extr…

> So to be clear, when presented with the option to wait a month, they instead explicitly choose to act decisively for political reasons.

This feels like a pretty reasonable thing for a nation-state actor to take into consideration, no? Is there any country on earth where the government altering timing of something for political convenience would be surprising?

The rest of this story is hilariously egregious. The part about the government discussing its own best interests and acting in them is the least abnormal thing here.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by llm_nerd »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #44
_tk_ wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I know, if submissions get flagged they get downranked. Not sure about the details.

It's not currently flagged, though. (Or at least, it's not currently marked [flagged].)

dang has detailed this before. After so many flags vs upvotes, a post is pushed to the bottom of the third page or top of four page of results. This is is before the [flagged] state is reached. You can often find highly upvoted but "politically contentious" submissions at position 90 or above.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by bloopernova »

llm_nerd wrote: post #48
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not currently flagged, though. (Or at least, it's not currently marked [flagged].)

dang has detailed this before. After so many flags vs upvotes, a post is pushed to the bottom of the third page or top of four page of results. This is is before the [flagged] state is reached. You can often find highly upvoted but "politically contentious" submissions at position 90 or above.

Or use https://news.ycombinator.com/active

It's not linked from the homepage though.

Re: U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat

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Post by bloopernova »

llm_nerd wrote: post #18

This is an insane story demonstrating extraordinary incompetence, not to mention revealing some rather comical beliefs about American exceptionalism. It's on the bottom of the third page, pushed down by flags. During any other administration, such a disastrously , criminally incompetent use of technology would have been top of the front page for days, but this administration is so cosmically incompetent that pointing…

Use https://news.ycombinator.com/active as your starting point. It's not linked from the front page.
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