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Meta pirated books to train its AI
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Re: Meta pirated books to train its AI
#42I "pirated" (read) books to train myself. I guess I owe authors a percentage of my income now.
You paid for those books though, presumably.
What if you borrowed and read your friends book?
Re: Meta pirated books to train its AI
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is the golden rule. Whoever has the gold rules. Laws are for mortals, while big-tech can do whatever they please while channeling their masculine energy. Basically, behave in a self-serving manner violating basic norms such as dont do unto others what you dont want done to you. As content gets polluted with ai-garbage, human-generated content will regain value. Here is a startup idea: A startup that protects creat…
> while channeling their masculine energy What has this to do with masculinity? Is this cheap misandry?
I think it's a tongue in cheek nod to this: https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerberg-masculine-en...
Re: Meta pirated books to train its AI
#44There seems to be a precedent with tech companies that if you do a lot of illegal stuff in the beginning you can count on either failing before it matters or you can buy your way out of the consequences. Bonus points if you induce regulatory capture to make sure no one else can follow in your footsteps. Please HN do your thing and prove me wrong or tell me the benefits to society outweigh the cons, because otherwise…
Nah, you are right it is that simple. It was like that for years.
Re: Meta pirated books to train its AI
#45There seems to be a precedent with tech companies that if you do a lot of illegal stuff in the beginning you can count on either failing before it matters or you can buy your way out of the consequences. Bonus points if you induce regulatory capture to make sure no one else can follow in your footsteps. Please HN do your thing and prove me wrong or tell me the benefits to society outweigh the cons, because otherwise…
Downloading pirated material isn't illegal in the U.S., sharing it is.
That's not what 17 U.S.C. § 501 says.
Re: Meta pirated books to train its AI
#46My take is pretty depressing for a different reason -
I understand the outrage against mark zuckerberg for nurturing such culture and making the executive decision, but also understand that at least one engineer was involved in writing and executing the code that does the piracy (with Product Managers and other cross-function employees)
And given the importance and visibility of the work, it's pretty obvious - that person wouldn't be a low level engineer either (I'd assume they earn about 1 million dollar a year - IC7+ at Meta)
now comes the depressing statement - a solid engineer, who probably don't even need to work another day in their life, is being a puppet of mark zuckerberg and robbing creators.
This is depressing to me as an engineer.
Re: Meta pirated books to train its AI
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is the golden rule. Whoever has the gold rules. Laws are for mortals, while big-tech can do whatever they please while channeling their masculine energy. Basically, behave in a self-serving manner violating basic norms such as dont do unto others what you dont want done to you. As content gets polluted with ai-garbage, human-generated content will regain value. Here is a startup idea: A startup that protects creat…
> while channeling their masculine energy What has this to do with masculinity? Is this cheap misandry?
You do know how Facebook was started, right?
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/yes-mark-zuckerberg-did-crea...
Re: Meta pirated books to train its AI
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Really dude? I think a solid argument can be made that facebook downloaded and shared pirated material with literally every ML employee they had at the time… EDIT: to those who downvoted, why? Do you disagree with what I said?
Sharing something locally doesn't fall under federal copyright law. They don't have jurisdiction.
See 17 U.S.C. § 501 and DMCA. And define "locally" not that it matters.
Re: Meta pirated books to train its AI
#49I "pirated" (read) books to train myself. I guess I owe authors a percentage of my income now.
Let’s look at this like food, instead of knowledge. You ate a donut, and you got energy. Maybe you’ve eaten 5 donuts per year, for 20 years…so a hundred donuts. Maybe you didn’t pay for all of them, you got some at work or at a friends house. They stole a billion donuts.
Re: Meta pirated books to train its AI
#50There seems to be a precedent with tech companies that if you do a lot of illegal stuff in the beginning you can count on either failing before it matters or you can buy your way out of the consequences. Bonus points if you induce regulatory capture to make sure no one else can follow in your footsteps. Please HN do your thing and prove me wrong or tell me the benefits to society outweigh the cons, because otherwise…
Well, the fruit of it, Llama 3, is public. Maybe it comes with some sort of license, but considering how it was made, I wouldn't feel guilty about violating it. Then again, I would happily train a model on Anna's Archive myself without feeling guilty about it, if I had the resources to do so. I think it ranks very, very low on the list of bad things Facebook has done.
> Well, the fruit of it, Llama 3, is public. Maybe it comes with some sort of license, but considering how it was made, I wouldn't feel guilty about violating it.
Facebook would quite literally sue you until you killed yourself if you did that. It’s not the same rules for them and for us.