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Post by graeme »

oldgradstudent wrote: post #23

Is this a parody? > Beyond problems at the border, the current Secretary for Health and Human Services - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - has said that he will send those with ADHD to camps. Source: Futurism. What he actually said: > "I’m going to dedicate that revenue to creating wellness farms — drug rehabilitation farms, in rural areas all over this country," he said during the podcast. "I’m going to make it so people can…

The full quote extends that to adderal. To be clear he said the wellness farms would be for those who want to go, and he's describing a massive undertaking that you'd see coming before it was implemented.

But he was definitely talking about ADHD. This tweet has the short video of him actually including adderal.

https://x.com/MotherJones/status/1816180369110270435

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Post by kazinator »

mmooss wrote: post #15

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> doing things unpredictably and appearing arbitrary, they try to create a situation where feels safe - it could happen to anyone.

This is a great point: doing menacing things here and there creates a sort of illusion that they can do menacing things everywhere at once, which they actually cannot.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by viraptor »

arketyp wrote: post #20

I understand the sentiment that the Trump administration is draconian, especially for people traveling from abroad considering the new border policy. But, pardon me, how is that executive order about sex a "threat"? Listed as the top issue undermines the credibility of this petition I think.

Check out all the issues currently faced by people with either updated or X gender on their documents. Look at what happens with documents at government level that use even vaguely trans-related words. Do you get why people would see erasure like that as threat, given historical context?

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Post by croes »

oldgradstudent wrote: post #23

Is this a parody? > Beyond problems at the border, the current Secretary for Health and Human Services - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - has said that he will send those with ADHD to camps. Source: Futurism. What he actually said: > "I’m going to dedicate that revenue to creating wellness farms — drug rehabilitation farms, in rural areas all over this country," he said during the podcast. "I’m going to make it so people can…

First you can go and leave as you like, then you can go but can’t leave, then you have to go.

Given the things he said about vaccines and bird flu, I wouldn’t trust him an inch.

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Post by gherkinnn »

oldgradstudent wrote: post #23

Is this a parody? > Beyond problems at the border, the current Secretary for Health and Human Services - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - has said that he will send those with ADHD to camps. Source: Futurism. What he actually said: > "I’m going to dedicate that revenue to creating wellness farms — drug rehabilitation farms, in rural areas all over this country," he said during the podcast. "I’m going to make it so people can…

The full quote, as per Futurism: (emphasis mine)

> I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need — three or four years if they need it — to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities,

I am not going to skim through 1.5h of deranged ramblings in a raspy voice to find him saying this though.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by croes »

silisili wrote: post #40
nialse wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a historical context “wellness farms” is understood as a euphemism for concentration camp. It’s free but you can’t leave.

If you talk to a parent of a child who OD'd, most commonly of fent these days, they all have this thought. What if I took them somewhere remote where there are no drugs and didn't let them leave? My heart hurts for them, but I have no idea if it's a good idea or not. Regardless, I think his heart is in the right place. Time will tell whether or not it's actually useful.

They had camps to cure gayness.

The problem isn’t the camps but the people who have the authority in them and how the treat people especially if the cure isn’t working.

Not everything can be cured by organic food, fresh air and labor.

BTW is the food the grow for the farms only or is selling it part of the plan?

If the latter then it’s about cheap labor

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by someothherguyy »

_2d30 wrote: post #28
oldgradstudent wrote: post #23

Is this a parody? > Beyond problems at the border, the current Secretary for Health and Human Services - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - has said that he will send those with ADHD to camps. Source: Futurism. What he actually said: > "I’m going to dedicate that revenue to creating wellness farms — drug rehabilitation farms, in rural areas all over this country," he said during the podcast. "I’m going to make it so people can…

Yes and some of the links to the “traumatizing” deportations are for people who are clearly in violation of their visas. I had a friend deported from Denmark when he overstayed his visa and it was basically the same thing. Some of these look really bad and could be sensible justification for the proposed boycott/cancellation (see French scientist eg) but a lot of it looks completely hysterical.

> a lot of it looks completely hysterical

Some bad history with executive orders / The Alien Enemies Act and interning people in the US:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_America...

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans

Also, the current administration stated an intent to relocate (intern / reeducate?) the homeless, many of whom are citizens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_47#Social_issues

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